Author Topic: Canada considering international bases: MacKay (Read 9055 times)

R031button · « **on:** June 02, 2011, 14:39:44 »

From the CBC today

Canada considering international bases: MacKay

By Laura Payton, CBC News

Canada is looking at setting up bases around the world to better position the military to participate in international missions, Defence Minister Peter MacKay confirmed Thursday.

The Canadian Forces does "prudent planning," MacKay told reporters, taking into account the ability to participate in international missions.

"As we look out into the future what we obviously try to do is anticipate where and when we will be needed, but it's difficult with any certainty to make those plans, without talking to other countries, without doing internal examinations," he said.

"The focus of the planning, let's be clear, is our capability for expeditionary participation in international missions.... We are big players in NATO. We're a country that has become a go-to nation in response to situations like what we're seeing in Libya, what we saw in Haiti...

"We are constantly working within that paradigm of countries, to see where we can bring that niche capability to bear. It's part of planning and preparation, in conjunction with our equipment needs."

A report in Montreal newspaper Le Devoir said the Canadian Forces is negotiating to set up bases under a program known as the Operational Support Hubs Network. They've reportedly already completed negotiations with Germany and Jamaica, and are in talks with Kuwait, Senegal, Kenya or Tanzania, Singapore and South Korea.

Canada did have a base in the United Arab Emirates, known as Camp Mirage, to ease access to Afghanistan, but was kicked out after a dispute over commercial landing rights in Canada.

The Canadian Forces had to scramble to set up an alternative base in Cyprus.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/06/02/pol-military-bases.html

I'll take a posting to Jamaica...

Infanteer · « **Reply #1 on:** June 02, 2011, 14:41:21 »

Here is a useful international base:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/HMS_Bulwark.jpg

helpup · « **Reply #2 on:** June 02, 2011, 14:48:03 »

Heck we are still waiting for our Roll on Roll off ships

helpup · « **Reply #3 on:** June 02, 2011, 14:49:56 »

I can see the need for foreign bases but I do not see it happening any time soon, unless it is another "temp" one in the UAE

dapaterson · « **Reply #4 on:** June 02, 2011, 15:02:59 »

"Operational Support Hub" suggests pre-positioned stores and equipment, not a NATO HR brigade - probaly a handful of Canadian staff, and locals to do much of the work.

So this is not a return to CFE but any stretch of the imagination.

R031button · « **Reply #5 on:** June 02, 2011, 15:08:11 »

Agreed, an network airstrips and ports located close to a potential area of operations. Small staff and potentially a small security detachment, capable of pushing out equipment and otherwise supporting Ops.

helpup · « **Reply #6 on:** June 02, 2011, 15:09:48 »

Agreed I don't see it being more then a corner of a Airbase somewhere that has LO's and some staff. I don't even see major deployment of equipment unless needed. But I still don't see it happening any time soon.

Dimsum · « **Reply #7 on:** June 02, 2011, 15:57:49 »

Germany, Singapore or SK for me please. Thanks.

HavokFour · « **Reply #8 on:** June 02, 2011, 16:16:19 »

Wouldn't it be easier to ask the US to share a few of their overseas bases?

dapaterson · « **Reply #9 on:** June 02, 2011, 16:26:50 »

Quote from: HavokFour on June 02, 2011, 16:16:19

Wouldn't it be easier to ask the US to share a few of their overseas bases?

Even if we rent a shed on a US base, we still require status-of-forces and other agreements with the country that US base is in.

R031button · « **Reply #10 on:** June 02, 2011, 16:59:59 »

And they can say no.

Kirkhill · « **Reply #11 on:** June 02, 2011, 18:09:47 »

Stop me if you have heard this one.....Floating warehouses......

Flat top built to civvy standards and parked at a "friendly" dock (A Shearwater type location). In the event of crisis they can move closer to the crisis. In the event the "friendly" dock becomes "unfriendly" they can get out of Dodge.

jollyjacktar · « **Reply #12 on:** June 02, 2011, 18:16:46 »

Quote from: Infanteer on June 02, 2011, 14:41:21

Here is a useful international base:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/HMS_Bulwark.jpg

Now you're talking.

medicineman · « **Reply #13 on:** June 02, 2011, 18:22:32 »

Doesn't that go back to that " I think we should have Marines" petition though?

MM

CDN Aviator · « **Reply #14 on:** June 02, 2011, 18:25:05 »

Quote from: medicineman on June 02, 2011, 18:22:32

Doesn't that go back to that " I think we should have Marines" petition though?

MM

I dont know about that, with the threat of a US invasion of Canada, who needs international bases ?

medicineman · « **Reply #15 on:** June 02, 2011, 18:32:55 »

We could preposition things in the US and counterstrike from the rear? Or would that be more like a Trojan Rabbit a la Search for the Holy Grail?

MM

Journeyman · « **Reply #16 on:** June 02, 2011, 18:38:46 »

Quote from: medicineman on June 02, 2011, 18:32:55

Or would that be more like a Trojan ~~Rabbit~~ Beaver a la Search for the Holy Grail?

MCG · « **Reply #17 on:** June 02, 2011, 19:33:35 »

Would this be any different than the NAMSA stuff that we had in Italy until recently?

helpup · « **Reply #18 on:** June 02, 2011, 21:33:00 »

Quote from: medicineman on June 02, 2011, 18:22:32

Doesn't that go back to that " I think we should have Marines" petition though?

MM

But along the lines of flat tops.............. Dirgables are the way of the future. But what would we call those who deployed from them. "Aeromarines" Lets start a petition for half of what we need. 75 000 Aereomarines.

GAP · « **Reply #19 on:** June 02, 2011, 21:38:44 »

Quote from: CDN Aviator on June 02, 2011, 18:25:05

I dont know about that, with the threat of a US invasion of Canada, who needs international bases ?

Pfft....all we need is a base in the US.....that'll confuse them......

captloadie · « **Reply #20 on:** June 03, 2011, 02:49:57 »

The Hub idea has been around for 5 years now, with work being done on and off as there were staff officers available to do it. Many of the locations would actually have no personnel, just space and services contracted that we could call up/move in to when required.

At least that was the plan 2 years ago.

helpup · « **Reply #21 on:** June 03, 2011, 07:44:12 »

I dont have time to cut and paste it but there was a follow on article where DND clarified the orriginal story. We are not looking for new base but as some on here hinted at. We are looking for agreements with other governments on use of facilities in thier country. The proper name for it escapes me.

I still think we need Blimps

Technoviking · « **Reply #22 on:** June 03, 2011, 07:53:35 »

You all have it wrong. This is what we need:

helpup · « **Reply #23 on:** June 03, 2011, 12:40:56 »

Quote from: Technoviking on June 03, 2011, 07:53:35

You all have it wrong. This is what we need:

hmm, well it is not SHIELD's Command Carrier, I don't think it is Bond's SPECTRE, Is it the Black Spectre's airship?

I wonder how many Aereonaughts and Aeromarines will it hold?

Oldgateboatdriver · « **Reply #24 on:** June 03, 2011, 14:55:41 »

Of course not: It's SPECTRUM's base- saving us from the Mysterons.

Can we all get Captain Scarlet's powers so we too can continually come back from the dead to fight another day?

All joking aside, the bases do exist: They are called Amphibious Assault Ships. Many types and sizes are available in any colour you want ... as long as its grey.

Privateer · « **Reply #25 on:** June 03, 2011, 15:02:21 »

I think (hope?) that the Government is just laying the foundation for a new HMC Dockyard in a new, 11th province... The Province of Turks and Caicos!

Random link to (old) article on topic: http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/showthread.php/273-Turks-and-Caicos-Islands-to-join-Canada

helpup · « **Reply #26 on:** June 03, 2011, 15:04:53 »

Ahhh ok it is a concept carrier for the Company Spectrum. I couldnt make out the U

Oldgateboatdriver · « **Reply #27 on:** June 03, 2011, 15:17:00 »

No, No, No! Not a concept. That thing actually flew in the 60's: I saw it on TV

CDN Aviator · « **Reply #28 on:** June 03, 2011, 15:26:40 »

Quote from: Privateer on June 03, 2011, 15:02:21

I think (hope?) that the Government is just laying the foundation for a new HMC Dockyard in a new, 11th province... The Province of Turks and Caicos!

Random link to (old) article on topic: http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/showthread.php/273-Turks-and-Caicos-Islands-to-join-Canada

I dont know about that but you can bet there will be an air station with an Aurora regularly flying from it.

Dimsum · « **Reply #29 on:** June 03, 2011, 16:24:59 »

Quote from: CDN Aviator on June 03, 2011, 15:26:40

I dont know about that but you can bet there will be an air station with an Aurora regularly flying from it.

...and all of a sudden 405 LRP Sqn will be a popular posting!

CDN Aviator · « **Reply #30 on:** June 03, 2011, 16:26:16 »

Quote from: Dimsum on June 03, 2011, 16:24:59

...and all of a sudden 405 LRP Sqn will be a popular posting!

Rotating detachment from both East and West LRP squadrons.

Dolphin_Hunter · « **Reply #31 on:** June 03, 2011, 17:17:24 »

Quote from: Dimsum on June 03, 2011, 16:24:59

...and all of a sudden 405 LRP Sqn will be a popular posting!

It would take much more than that for 405 to become a popular spot. At least here in YQQ everyday is a day in paradise, and I don't have to rely on TD's for it.

Privateer · « **Reply #32 on:** June 03, 2011, 17:36:54 »

And Pusser could wear those No. 5D's I know he must have in his closet somewhere...

milnews.ca · « **Reply #33 on:** February 14, 2012, 10:31:47 »

One in Germany...

Quote

Today, the Honourable Peter MacKay, Minister of National Defence, was joined by his counterpart, the Minister of Defence from the Federal Republic of Germany, Dr. Thomas de Maizière, to announce the location of the new Canadian Forces’ European Operational Support Hub at Germany’s Köln-Bonn airport.

(....)

In 2009, with the consent of the German government, the Canadian Forces operated European Operational Support Hub at the United States Air Force base at Spangdahlem, Germany. This small logistics hub was instrumental in ensuring the Canadian Forces could move vital supplies and personnel in support of operations in Afghanistan. This previous arrangement serves as the basis for the more permanent European Operational Support Hub that will be established at Köln-Bonn ....

CF news release, 14 Feb 12

Macey · « **Reply #34 on:** February 14, 2012, 10:52:53 »

POSTING MESSAGE SOLD!!!!! Where do I sign up?

Wookilar · « **Reply #35 on:** February 14, 2012, 11:00:15 »

lol no doubt.

I wonder if this will come with an increase in postings or if this is one of those smoke and mirror type announcements that say something "new" but things stay the same.

Wook

Macey · « **Reply #36 on:** February 14, 2012, 11:25:12 »

99 Red Luft Balloons... here I come!

George Wallace · « **Reply #37 on:** February 14, 2012, 11:35:39 »

Bonn is such a boring town.......even more so now that everthing has moved to Berlin.......Now...... Berlin is a happening place to be.

Technoviking · « **Reply #38 on:** February 14, 2012, 11:44:12 »

Ich kann Deutsch! Ich will dahin!

(Braucht man einen Infanterieoffizier bei deisem Hauptquartier?)

Macey · « **Reply #39 on:** February 14, 2012, 16:26:48 »

Ich will auch gehen. Müssen sie Treiber?

ArmyVern · « **Reply #40 on:** February 14, 2012, 17:03:32 »

Back of the bus gentlemen.

Technoviking · « **Reply #41 on:** February 14, 2012, 17:57:46 »

Quote from: ArmyVern on February 14, 2012, 17:03:32

Back of the bus gentlemen.

Ich habe überhaupt nichts verstanden. Noch mal, bitte?

ArmyVern · « **Reply #42 on:** February 14, 2012, 18:04:35 »

Quote from: Technoviking on February 14, 2012, 17:57:46

Ich habe überhaupt nichts verstanden. Noch mal, bitte?

Oh, you get it!! It's Valentine's Day, you should treat me!!

Ein großes bier und eine frites mit mayo ... schnell!!

Old Sweat · « **Reply #43 on:** February 14, 2012, 18:10:21 »

Yeah, and I understood what you both typed. Just admit you are over the hill and the excitement of Europe is for those with a full career to enjoy.

Holy Crap, I'm fracked now!!

ArmyVern · « **Reply #44 on:** February 14, 2012, 18:12:59 »

Quote from: Old Sweat on February 14, 2012, 18:10:21

Yeah, and I understood what you both typed. Just admit you are over the hill and the excitement of Europe is for those with a full career to enjoy.

Holy Crap, I'm fracked now!!

I'm gonna go all ginja ninja on you!!

Technoviking · « **Reply #45 on:** February 14, 2012, 19:15:35 »

Quote from: ArmyVern on February 14, 2012, 18:04:35

Ein großes bier und eine frites mit mayo ... schnell!!

Jawohl!

ArmyVern · « **Reply #46 on:** February 14, 2012, 19:26:09 »

Quote from: Technoviking on February 14, 2012, 19:15:35

Jawohl!

Mmmmmmmmmmm,

Zu langsam; aus dem bus !!

Technoviking · « **Reply #47 on:** February 14, 2012, 19:30:23 »

Quote from: ArmyVern on February 14, 2012, 19:26:09

Mmmmmmmmmmm,

Zu langsam; aus dem bus !!

/steigt aus, bringt den Bier und Pommes mit!

ArmyVern · « **Reply #48 on:** February 14, 2012, 19:32:22 »

Beißen mir !!

Technoviking · « **Reply #49 on:** February 14, 2012, 19:35:01 »

Quote from: ArmyVern on February 14, 2012, 19:32:22

Beißen mir !!

GERN!

Jetzt wird was los, oder?

ArmyVern · « **Reply #50 on:** February 14, 2012, 19:37:33 »

Quote from: Technoviking on February 14, 2012, 19:35:01

GERN!

Jetzt wird was los, oder?

Just a normal conversation between friends!! That's all; they'll move along.

Macey · « **Reply #51 on:** February 14, 2012, 20:16:58 »

Quote from: ArmyVern on February 14, 2012, 17:03:32

Back of the bus gentlemen.

Nein... I drive the BUS!!!!! You get off, haha.

I WIN..

captloadie · « **Reply #52 on:** February 15, 2012, 04:01:06 »

I hate to burst any of those 99 Red Balloons, but from what I have heard, they are basically picking up the 4 or 5 positions that were in Spangdhelam and moving them to Koln-Bonn. Even the outcan positions that were advertised this year said "position location TBD". Other developments and closures are happening, which will lead to even fewer Outcan positions

Get Nautical · « **Reply #53 on:** February 20, 2012, 20:06:41 »

Move us to Australia and tell the Americans to stay in Guam

milnews.ca · « **Reply #54 on:** February 22, 2012, 20:36:00 »

Some details yet to be worked out, apparently....

Quote

Canadian plans to create a defense logistics hub in Germany are in doubt after complications arising from German objections over potential noise pollution.

Canada announced plans for opening the hub as it unveiled a long-term strategy to better prepare for overseas military operations.

Canadian forces are active in Afghanistan and took part in NATO's operation in Libya last year.

After talks with German Defense Minister Thomas de Maiziere in Ottawa on Feb. 14, Canada announced it would set up a logistics hub at German's Koln Bonn Airport, which serves Bonn, Cologne and surrounding tones.

The planned hub is to be a substitute for the U.S. Air Base Spangdahlem in the southwestern German state of Rhineland-Palatinate, which Canada shares.

Spangdahlem is near the sparsely populated city of Eifel while the Koln Bonn Airport is one of the busiest land and air transportation hubs.

Airport administration officials said they couldn't accept the plan for Canadian relocation as increased night flights in a congested urban center could upset residents.

Cologne city officials said they also opposed Canada's planned move.

"The airport of a major city is not the right location for additional military air traffic," Cologne Lord Mayor Juergen Roters said.

In fact, he said, the city favored a further reduction in night flights to reduce noise pollution.

Airport officials said they would continue to confer with Canadian armed forces and German Defense Ministry to find a solution ....

UPI, 22 Feb 12

jollyjacktar · « **Reply #55 on:** February 23, 2012, 10:52:44 »

Mod edit to remove article IAW site owner 3 Feb 11 direction.

Milnet.ca Staff

Kirkhill · « **Reply #56 on:** February 23, 2012, 13:37:37 »

Quote

Garvens, with the airport management, said allowing additional military flights from the Canadians "does not fit into our efforts, to keep the noise exposure of the residents as low as possible."

There's the troublemaker.....bloody typical.

ArmyVern · « **Reply #57 on:** February 23, 2012, 13:40:42 »

Quote from: Kirkhill on February 23, 2012, 13:37:37

There's the troublemaker.....bloody typical.

Nice catch!! +300 !!

Technoviking · « **Reply #58 on:** February 23, 2012, 13:53:24 »

ArmyVern · « **Reply #59 on:** February 23, 2012, 13:55:03 »

Quote from: Technoviking on February 23, 2012, 13:53:24

+300 for you too!! New keyboard!!

Macey · « **Reply #60 on:** February 23, 2012, 15:32:34 »

99 Luftballons
Auf ihrem Weg zum Horizont
Hielt man für Ufos aus dem All
Darum schickte ein General
'ne Fliegerstaffel hinterher
Alarm zu geben, wenn es so wär
Dabei war'n da am Horizont
Nur 99 Luftballons

ArmyVern · « **Reply #61 on:** February 23, 2012, 15:56:18 »

Hey Nina, apparently you can`t count!!

Macey · « **Reply #62 on:** February 23, 2012, 18:21:24 »

That's why I'm not supply...

6V666 · « **Reply #63 on:** February 23, 2012, 19:03:18 »

If you are not supply what are you? A trucker has to know to count.

CDN Aviator · « **Reply #64 on:** February 23, 2012, 19:32:26 »

Quote from: 6V666 on February 23, 2012, 19:03:18

If you are not supply what are you? A trucker has to know to count.

I am willing to bet that someone in your trade should probably know how to write properly.

Tom Billesley · « **Reply #65 on:** February 25, 2012, 19:46:08 »

For land bases near current trouble spots there's the British Overseas Territories -sovereign base areas of Dhekelia and Akrotiri on Cyprus and the island of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean (currently leased to the United States and used as an anchorage for Military Sealift Command MPS). There's also the French islands of Reunion and Mayotte in the Indian Ocean but Mayotte is small and Reunion has occasional volcanic eruptions. There's French and US military bases at Djibouti on the Red Sea.

Get Nautical · « **Reply #66 on:** February 26, 2012, 01:24:46 »

Quote from: Tom Billesley on February 25, 2012, 19:46:08

For land bases near current trouble spots there's the British Overseas Territories -sovereign base areas of Dhekelia and Akrotiri on Cyprus and the island of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean (currently leased to the United States and used as an anchorage for Military Sealift Command MPS). There's also the French islands of Reunion and Mayotte in the Indian Ocean but Mayotte is small and Reunion has occasional volcanic eruptions. There's French and US military bases at Djibouti on the Red Sea.

Its probably not good to be on an island, 2012 is coming...now where did I put my tinfoil hat...there it is

If we built an aircraft carrier, wouldn't that provide the much needed capability.
Edit: Or a hybrid of the Aircraft Carrier and Helicopter Carrier.

Gramps · « **Reply #67 on:** February 26, 2012, 01:58:27 »

Quote from: captloadie on February 15, 2012, 04:01:06

I hate to burst any of those 99 Red Balloons, but from what I have heard, they are basically picking up the 4 or 5 positions that were in Spangdhelam and moving them to Koln-Bonn. Even the outcan positions that were advertised this year said "position location TBD". Other developments and closures are happening, which will lead to even fewer Outcan positions

I believe you are correct. Spangdahlem is a great place geographically but it is not the best logistically for many reasons, still I would have loved to have had more than six months there. From what I know it is being moved.

News:

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