Topic: NDP MP introduces bill to create "Defence of Canada Medal (1946-1989)"

[mariomike]

Actually the "exemplary medal" is a federal award and any time from the military that DIDN'T go towards your CD can go towards this one.

Are you sure of that?
For example, Police Exemplary Service Medal ( from link above ):
"However, full-time exemplary service of former members of the RCMP and Military Police of the Canadian Forces may qualify where that service has not been recognized by award of the RCMP Long Service and Good Conduct Medal or the Canadian Forces Decoration, respectively."

This would seem to exclude time from the military not spent as a full-time member of the Military Police.

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Yup,...Corrections is different.

[mariomike]

Yup,...Corrections is different.

I guess it is.

From what we were told, CF time does not apply towards the EMS-ESM:
"Those with at least 10 years of service with emergency medical services may include, in the 20 years of service, service completed in another profession, provided this service has not been recognized by another long service, good conduct or efficiency decoration or medal awarded by the Crown."
We asked Ottawa what they meant by "another profession". They said it had to be one of the professions in the Exemplary Service Medal "family" ( as they called it ).

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Here's the links for all.
http://archive.gg.ca/honours/medals/hon04-esm_e.asp

[Pusser]

I guess it is.

From what we were told, CF time does not apply towards the EMS-ESM:
"Those with at least 10 years of service with emergency medical services may include, in the 20 years of service, service completed in another profession, provided this service has not been recognized by another long service, good conduct or efficiency decoration or medal awarded by the Crown."
We asked Ottawa what they meant by "another profession". They said it had to be one of the professions in the Exemplary Service Medal "family" ( as they called it ).

Yes, but not any other profession.  In the case of former CF members, their CF occupation has to fit within the profession recognized by a particular ESM.  For example, a former CF firefighter can use his/her CF service (as a firefighter) toward the Fire Services ESM, provided his CF service has not been recognized with a CD.  However, a former CF infantryman who becomes a civilian firefighter later cannot use any of his/her CF service toward the Fire Services ESM. 

[Good2Golf]

I like to think of this proposed medal as the NDP finally coming to its senses and wanting to formally recognize the good job that huge stockpiles of nuclear weapons did to maintain peace throughout the world. 

Regards
G2G

[medicineman]

I like to think of this proposed medal as the NDP finally coming to its senses and wanting to formally recognize the good job that huge stockpiles of nuclear weapons did to maintain peace throughout the world. 

Regards
G2G

So all the retired weapons and currently serving ones that were around then are to get the gongs...are there any Honest Johns, Bomarcs, Genies or Falcons around any more?   

MM

[SeaKingTacco]

I know where to find a Genie...

[CDN Aviator]

I know where to find a Genie...

A working one ?

[GnyHwy]

Unreal.

Please take the colossal waste of money this would cost and use it to fix up war memorials across the country..........

I can't even imagine the costs associated with this.  (# of medals) x (cost) + (# of parades) x (cost) + (# of dignitaries to issue) x (salary) + (sticky buns) x (a lot). 

I seriously doubt any realistic cost analysis has been done.  The word colossal is probably pretty accurate though.  I can't even begin to count the number of people that would qualify for this.  -1 for me though, I missed it by a couple years.

With the amount of money coupled with the amount of time to hand these suckers out, perhaps we could spread it out over the next 50 yrs.  We will have to get them to the old fellas first though, as they will not be around to see the last one issued.

[Old Sweat]

With the amount of money coupled with the amount of time to hand these suckers out, perhaps we could spread it out over the next 50 yrs.  We will have to get them to the old fellas first though, as they will not be around to see the last one issued.

Gee, thanks. I needed that.   

[GnyHwy]

LOL. Sorry, it has been awhile since I've attended a sensitivty seminar.

[Lex Parsimoniae]

This (via Hansard), from Carol Hughes (Algoma—Manitoulin—Kapuskasing, NDP), as she introduced Private Member's Bill C-354, An Act respecting the establishment and award of a Defence of Canada Medal (1946-1989) (summary of bill and where it's at in the process):Caveat:  most Private Member's Bills don't end up making it all the way through the legislative sausage machine to become law unless there's significant government support for the idea.

On a "glass 1/2 full" note - it is an NDP Bill "in support" of the CF.

[Rifleman62]

Even if successful, the huge majority of the RCL will still not have any CF service ribbons.

[recceguy]

I can't even imagine the costs associated with this.  (# of medals) x (cost) + (# of parades) x (cost) + (# of dignitaries to issue) x (salary) + (sticky buns) x (a lot). 

I seriously doubt any realistic cost analysis has been done.  The word colossal is probably pretty accurate though.  I can't even begin to count the number of people that would qualify for this.  -1 for me though, I missed it by a couple years.

With the amount of money coupled with the amount of time to hand these suckers out, perhaps we could spread it out over the next 50 yrs.  We will have to get them to the old fellas first though, as they will not be around to see the last one issued.

My CD and SSM (NATO) showed up in my mailbox, from Ottawa. The cost was postage

[mariomike]

I can't even begin to count the number of people that would qualify for this.

Neither can I. To get an idea, I looked up "Categories qualifying for the Defence Medal 1939 - 1945":
http://www.arrse.co.uk/military-history-militaria/132336-ww2-medals-civilians.html#post3165148

[RangerRay]

I wonder when I get one for being in the Militia during the "Decade of Darkness", defending the JR's with militia rounds (BANG!  BANG!)...

[SeaKingTacco]

A working one ?

There is no sign saying that it doesn't work.  I suppose that there is really only one way to find out...

[medicineman]

There is no sign saying that it doesn't work.  I suppose that there is really only one way to find out...

...and I'm pretty sure nobody will notice a small nuclear detonation in the middle of Saskatchewan

[Danjanou]

...and I'm pretty sure nobody will notice a small nuclear detonation in the middle of Saskatchewan

Might even make Debert liveable. 

[medicineman]

Pssst - think you meant Dumbdune Dundurn...Debert is in Nova Scotia  .  Mind you if the explosion were big enough...

MM

[Danjanou]

oops   Hey basically they're the same places you don't want to be sent to.

[Canadian.Trucker]

...and I'm pretty sure nobody will notice a small nuclear detonation in the middle of Saskatchewan

*pulls out lawn chair and opens a beer* And I thought Monday's were boring....

[Tank Troll]

oops   Hey basically they're the same places you don't want to be sent to.

Debert has a Tim hortons. Last time Iwas in Dundurn the didn't. I'll take coastal hills with a Tims over flat lands with out any day