Topic: Blast-in-place posted on YouTube: "Canadian Soldiers Blowing Up...House for Fun"

[ObedientiaZelum]

I'm a soldier AND a jail guard correctional officer.

Apologies, my father was a corrections officer. He always refered to it as jail guard. No disrespect intended.

[Jim Seggie]

Apologies, my father was a corrections officer. He always refered to it as jail guard. No disrespect intended.

Not a problem. No issues here. As an aside, the guy lost his eye because a Somali criminal stabbed him in the eye area several times. The video showed it all.

[Kalatzi]

To those who suggest I should STFU.

In some cases yes. This one? NO.

I didn't realize how bad the original site was.

Thought that by giving the benefit of teh doubt that that a better explanation would emerge.

Taken aback that Dogger1936 seeems to be censured for this.

I think that there may be a lot of people that have similar footage for personal use.

Common sense, as well I imagine as well as formal direction dictates that it not get onto the net. By that I mean anything questionable.

I did some checking on youtube after the fact there must be a coule of hundred videos, and this is the one that had teh potential to cause problems.

Soooo, what percentage of slip-ups do we allow?  How about none.

For those of you who still feel I should STFU.

Thank you for your opinions. I am honoured by them.

[Scott]

Dogger was not "censored" at all. And it has nothing to do with this, so just let that one slide and leave the moderation to us. I think you ought to be a little more careful as to what sites you link through here and your wording when it comes to thread titles.

Anyone sharing any digital media in this day of age should be slapped with the hand of stupid.

[CDN Aviator]

By that I mean anything questionable.

I am still looking for the "questionable" par tof the video you posted about..........

and this is the one that had teh potential to cause problems.

No, it does not.

For those of you who still feel I should STFU.

That is me. I standby my opinion and now would be a perfect time for you to start.

[dapaterson]

Anyone sharing any digital media in this day of age should be slapped with the hand of stupid.

But there's the challenge.  How can the CF effectively communicate with the public what it's accomplishing without using digital media?

The best recruiting tools aren't sappy movies made by DND, but rather people reaching out and talking with their families and friends.

Ther's a need for balance, common sense and security, but any blanket prohibition would be counter-productive.

[Scott]

But there's the challenge.  How can the CF effectively communicate with the public what it's accomplishing without using digital media?

The best recruiting tools aren't sappy movies made by DND, but rather people reaching out and talking with their families and friends.

Ther's a need for balance, common sense and security, but any blanket prohibition would be counter-productive.

I don't disagree. And it's likely, as has been suggested, that folks are just mining what they can out of the context of a video in order o gain ground towards their end. But that doesn't excuse being careful, IMO.

I'll agree with your last and clarify that I have little issue with people chronicling their experiences. What I do take issue with is ordinary folks out there trying to, so it appears, jump on a bandwagon and say, "Lookie here!!!!"

[Jammer]

If I may put something into perspective. Because this is an open forum where anyone...from around the world may post any nugget of information they find to try and get a rise from some of you.

 Please be mindful of the fact that whatever you write to correct a percieved wrong is being watched by folks who are a little less than friendly to the western world. We don't need help them out.

What we do and how we do it should be left to face to face conversations.

[Jim Seggie]

The best PR type is a well spoken corporal who knows what he/she is talking about, is photgenic and can express themselves with out using the F Bomb every second sentence.
They are far more beleivable and more "in touch' with the average Canadian than the politicians.

My 

[Kalatzi]

CDN Aviator

What makes it questionable is that the person posting the video on youtube was able to set the reference

If they weren't able to get their hands on it no problem.

I'm just pleased that this has managed to remain a very small molehill.

"Never pass a fault"

Out

[ObedientiaZelum]

I am still looking for the "questionable" par tof the vodeo you posted about..........

I don't see it either. Nothing questionable there.

[CDN Aviator]

If they weren't able to get their hands on it no problem.

They can also twist around video made by news reporters...they can do it with video posted by official PA sources. There was nothing questionable in the video we are talking about, plain and simple. That someone used it for their own agenda doesn't make the originator of the video wrong.

If someone filmed me at work right now and posted it on Youtube, it could be used by someone else to say that the CF supports Coke and not Pepsi........we don't control that and it doesnt make the video questionable.

I'm just pleased that this has managed to remain a very small molehill.

So far, you are the only one making it into anything.

"Never pass a fault"

There was no fault to pass.

[recceguy]

To those who suggest I should STFU.

In some cases yes. This one? NO.

I didn't realize how bad the original site was.

Thought that by giving the benefit of teh doubt that that a better explanation would emerge.

Taken aback that Dogger1936 seeems to be censured for this.

I think that there may be a lot of people that have similar footage for personal use.

Common sense, as well I imagine as well as formal direction dictates that it not get onto the net. By that I mean anything questionable.

I did some checking on youtube after the fact there must be a coule of hundred videos, and this is the one that had teh potential to cause problems.

Soooo, what percentage of slip-ups do we allow?  How about none.

For those of you who still feel I should STFU.

Thank you for your opinions. I am honoured by them.

 

[HavokFour]

Find the original video that this was ripped from on LiveLeak and I bet you my right leg it will have a completely different title and explanation of what is going on.

[Good2Golf]

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[MCG]

Here is the latest update:  http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/SOMNIA/article2312457/

The video shows Cbt Engr destroying an enemy ammo cache.  In other words, it was a legitimate target and its destruction contributed to greater local safety.

[Good2Golf]

Unlocked.  Points of discussion related to the situation specifics, please.

[daftandbarmy]

I have a purely practical interest in the lovely, big, shiny explosion. 

For those who know more about this than me (lots), how much and what type of explosive would be used in this type of firework? My best guesstimate would be about the equivalent of 5 lbs of PE?

I'm also guessing that the only line of sight view in the crowd was the camera, with everyone else being safely 'turrets down'.

[dogger1936]

"Lt.-Col. Lemay said he “cannot justify” the laughter, but speculated it could be laughing at a successful demolition, or nervous laughter."

Maybe I can.

When you spend 8 months searchin out Taliban (EN of the Islamic state) who coward and hide in the civilian populis; this is a victory. Taliban owned this building which served as a cache to make IED's that maime and kill not only NATO forces but many times innocent bystanders who are driving their tractors to their field.

We do whats right over there. And while I won't go into details we have continually put the LN's safety well above our own at all cost. Hence our very very very minute civilian CAS.

I justify the laugther as these men just saved many Canadian soldiers, and many LN lifes.

[Good2Golf]

This, or any other structure in a similar situation, ceased being a "house" when it was used by insurgent forces to cache weapons and explosives.  In that regard, it was the Taliban who in fact robbed the rightful owners of their home; transforming the structure into a storage area for illegal weapons that was, for safety's sake, best resolved through destruction in place.

I agree with dogger1936 that the source of soldiers' laughter is in no way connected to a disregard or lack of respect for the family that the Taliban displaced, but rather from the excitement of proximity to such a large detonation.  How many folks who have been nearby the receiving end of a burst of GAU-8 30mm fire from an A-10 not had some kind of emotion linked to wonderment or excitement?


Regards
G2G

[dogger1936]

Not to mention enemy explosives found this way is slightly "more amusing" than finding it going off in under you along RRS/ riverbed or various other travel routes.

And yes some of us find anything exploding to be a "job perk".

Io believe we have shown the LN's nothing but respect for their land; albeit sometimes a wall has to o or this building....but it's never for fun.

[ArmyVern]

I have a purely practical interest in the lovely, big, shiny explosion. 

For those who know more about this than me (lots), how much and what type of explosive would be used in this type of firework? My best guesstimate would be about the equivalent of 5 lbs of PE?

I'm also guessing that the only line of sight view in the crowd was the camera, with everyone else being safely 'turrets down'.

Turrets down or distanced at a safe radius. Camera could be zoomed right in. The SMEs at this stuff are also very good at calculating radius required. If you listen to the video's beginning again, you can hear one of the troops ask if the task OPI whether he "is going to give us a countdown."



I don't see anything wrong with the laughter in the video either; these troops knew this controlled det was going to be huge --- it was them who charged it up to blow. I'd be happy to see the crap go too; that crap was a weapons cache intended to be used against us, our allies, civilian populace. The area was cleared of people and they knew no pers were at risk of harm during the det, just happy to see it go sky high safely.

I suspect the Taliban had the exact opposite reaction and cursed out loud when this went as they'd have been more happy to see it going boom while killing us, our allies, civilians. Funny that.

[MJP]

I'm also guessing that the only line of sight view in the crowd was the camera, with everyone else being safely 'turrets down'.

Right, Yes  of course everyone was safely "turrets down -nod head in agreement slowly as furtive looks go around the room"

[sappermcfly]

I have never witnessed a blast ever, that did not have the same oohhhs ahhhss , laughing and expletives. It is almost like it is part of the drill, as it is something to see, regardless of how many times you have done it.
The more seasoned guys may not get as excited, but inside they are!

Completely normal reaction, and maybe that Col ought to go to a range one day. Sure he will have the exact same reaction.

[Kat Stevens]

I'm part of the range clearance crew on the Mattawa in Pet, and at 50 I'm one of the youngest guys there.  We've seen a crapload of things go bang over the years between us.  We still giggle like schoolgirls on a successful demo day, or when a 4.5" HE high orders.  We enjoy it when things go bang in a controlled manner, nothing wrong with that.