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Thinking about a job in CSIS
« on: January 29, 2012, 18:27:12 »
Hey guys! New to the forum,

I'm pretty much 16 years old (a couple months until my birthday) and I've been considering a few careers. I have one particular that I want to do, but I like to keep an open mind.

I've been pretty interested in the Canadian Security Intelligence Service. I know they're Canada's main centre of handling intelligence. And I know many of you are going to just say that I'm interesting in this job because I want to become a "spy".

Let me just say that's not true. I'm interested in the job because of the lifestyle. I find foreign affairs, politics, and international cultures interesting. I also like the dealing of secret information, and dealing with bad people. It sounds exciting, and somewhat dangerous.

Anyways, I guess my main questions are what could I start doing to prepare myself for a job there? In terms of high school courses? Do I need to take French?

I'd also like to know the physical aspects of training they do. Do they teach you any physical training (Fighting, firing weapons, etc)?

Sorry for my ignorance, I'd just really like input from someone who knows more. Thank you!  ;D

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Re: Thinking about a job in CSIS
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2012, 18:32:28 »
I know they're Canada's main centre of handling intelligence.

They are an agency responsible for certain kinds of intelligence. Other agencies have responsibility for other areas of intelligence that have zero involvement by CSIS.

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Re: Thinking about a job in CSIS
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2012, 18:34:19 »
And I know many of you are going to just say that I'm interesting in this job because I want to become a "spy". yep

Let me just say that's not true. uh huh

I'm interested in the job because of the lifestyle. Oh, well then

I find foreign affairs, politics, and international cultures interesting.  uh huh

I also like the dealing of secret information, and dealing with bad people. It sounds exciting, and somewhat dangerous.

Anyways, I guess my main questions are what could I start doing to prepare myself for a job there? In terms of high school courses? Do I need to take French?

I'd also like to know the physical aspects of training they do. Do they teach you any physical training (Fighting, firing weapons, etc)? Oh, the JTF2ninjasniper stuff?

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Re: Thinking about a job in CSIS
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2012, 18:34:53 »
What sort of intelligence does CSIS deal with? Foreign intelligence or federal intelligence?

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Re: Thinking about a job in CSIS
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2012, 18:35:41 »
What sort of intelligence does CSIS deal with? Foreign intelligence or federal intelligence?

Go read their website.
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Re: Thinking about a job in CSIS
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Re: Thinking about a job in CSIS
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2012, 18:36:21 »
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Re: Thinking about a job in CSIS
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2012, 18:41:04 »
There's a whole wack of information on the site that should suit your basic needs, but you might also might be interested in  Student Employment
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Re: Thinking about a job in CSIS
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2012, 18:45:19 »
Thanks for that!

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Re: Thinking about a job in CSIS
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2012, 18:48:38 »
Thanks for that!

CSIS aren't James Bond type spies. You will need a university degree, and ideally facility in French. If you don't speak it on being hired by the Service you will be sent immediately for French training, during your probationary period. If you can't learn it, you're gone.

You've got a long time to go before being able to employed as an IO, but you'll want to start studying what they do. Your first 1-on-1 interview will grill you on what the Service does, in great detail.
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Re: Thinking about a job in CSIS
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2012, 19:04:46 »
Thanks for the information, and I'm aware of that. As long as they can send me to be trained in French, because I'm not taking it in High School so far. At this point, I'm just considering it. I don't think I'll do it, but it will be my 2nd choice down from the main thing I want to do.

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Re: Thinking about a job in CSIS
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2012, 19:07:45 »
CSIS moved away from the blanket University-only to accepting different college degrees.

For example some security positions require "any security related" college degree while others "any college degree".
So one can rock out a general arts and science and be a potential candidate.

Different jobs at CSIS open and close all the time.  Depending on what field you are interested in you should look at taking college or university courses in the same field and when you graduate and get your diploma apply to CSIS depending on what's open.

While you are at school you should join the reserves to give you a sense of discipline and self control.  There are also courses in the reserves that could help you out later down the road. Communication courses. Driving courses. First aid courses. Leadership courses. You will also become familiar with a bunch of cool guns and the training how to use them.
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Re: Thinking about a job in CSIS
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2012, 19:16:55 »
Universities grant degrees.
Colleges grant diplomas.

That said, when did they change that?  I've been summarily dismissing any job postings for CSIS without even looking at them because they've wanted degrees in the past. 

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Re: Thinking about a job in CSIS
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2012, 19:29:51 »
Redhotpengy,

As long as you know this is a military web site and not a CSIS one, we'll let your thread run. Your in the wrong place.

Most, if not all, the answers you'll get here are the same as that you'll get from their site or anywhere else on the internet.

There are likely very few members, if any, that have had enough personal experience with CSIS to answer with any authority. There might be some. What they can answer may be something else again.

Don't be disappoint and dismissive because you're not getting the answers you want. CSIS is not our forte.

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Re: Thinking about a job in CSIS
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2012, 19:30:22 »
I was speaking to someone in their HR this fall.  They relaxed the criteria not too long ago. Take a look at the website, few of the jobs only require college. Some of them are "any college diploma".

Protective Security Officer
Undergraduate degree or a two (2) year college diploma in a security field.

Survailiant (not sure how it's spelt) required any college diploma as far as I remember.
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Re: Thinking about a job in CSIS
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2012, 19:42:31 »
Interesting, thanks for the info.  Will have to start giving them a look.

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Re: Thinking about a job in CSIS
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2012, 20:37:41 »


Protective Security Officer
Undergraduate degree or a two (2) year college diploma in a security field.

Survailiant (not sure how it's spelt) required any college diploma as far as I remember.

It is also worth pointing out the the Protective Security Officer makes $44,000 to $54,000 a year (a Pte - IPC 3 makes more then this to start and a Cpl - IPC 4 makes more then this entire range) and a Surveillant is making $56,000 to $68,000 a year (a Cpl - IPC 4 makes more then this to start for reference). 

Not sure if their benefits package is better or worse then the CF however.

Something to think about.

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Re: Thinking about a job in CSIS
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2012, 07:46:54 »
Do they train you to be security?

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Re: Thinking about a job in CSIS
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2012, 07:48:40 »
Do they train you to be security?

Everything you need to know is on the CSIS website..............
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Re: Thinking about a job in CSIS
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2012, 07:53:48 »
Colleges do grant degrees now in certain fields take a look at conestoga for example.
http://www.conestogac.on.ca/degrees/index.jsp
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Re: Thinking about a job in CSIS
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2012, 09:14:11 »
To be an Intelligence Officer in CSIS requries a University degree.  Full stop.

Other positions may or may not, depending on the nature of the position.  Much like the CF, CSIS has a fairly large array of position types, requiring different skillsets - for example, CSIS employs a large number of folks with library science backgrounds; they have finance personnel, administrative services personnel... all the support staff needed to achieve their mission.

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Re: Thinking about a job in CSIS
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2012, 10:18:18 »
Colleges do grant degrees now in certain fields take a look at conestoga for example.
http://www.conestogac.on.ca/degrees/index.jsp

Okay, I'll expand on that.

Under the traditional roles, universities grant degrees, and colleges grant diplomas.  Obviously there are some colleges who have gone through the rigors of becoming accredited to teach degree programs.  However, diplomas are usually granted for two and three year programs at community colleges, while degrees are granted by four (plus) year programs at universities.

Yes, I'm aware there are three year degree programs.  Everyone's gotta be special.

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Re: Thinking about a job in CSIS
« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2012, 11:01:04 »
Hey guys! New to the forum,

I'm pretty much 16 years old (a couple months until my birthday) and I've been considering a few careers. I have one particular that I want to do, but I like to keep an open mind.

I've been pretty interested in the Canadian Security Intelligence Service. I know they're Canada's main centre of handling intelligence. And I know many of you are going to just say that I'm interesting in this job because I want to become a "spy".

Let me just say that's not true. I'm interested in the job because of the lifestyle. I find foreign affairs, politics, and international cultures interesting. I also like the dealing of secret information, and dealing with bad people. It sounds exciting, and somewhat dangerous.

Anyways, I guess my main questions are what could I start doing to prepare myself for a job there? In terms of high school courses? Do I need to take French?

I'd also like to know the physical aspects of training they do. Do they teach you any physical training (Fighting, firing weapons, etc)?

Sorry for my ignorance, I'd just really like input from someone who knows more. Thank you!  ;D


Before we get too far sidetracked ... you might want to note that the intelligence business is neither dangerous nor glamorous, it involves, for 99.99% of its practitioners, careers of unending drudgery, sifting and sorting information until some meaningful patterns might materialize.

Please take careful note of CSIS' name: the Canadian Security Intelligence Service - I put a lot of emphasis on security because many countries divide the intelligence function into two broad categories:

1. Protecting out secrets, here at home, from foreign spys; and

2. Gathering information, overseas, which can be turned into useful intelligence.

Speaking very broadly CSIS does the former and other agencies do the latter. CSIS can and does operate overseas but, mainly, in pursuit of its "Priority Areas" of responsibility.

As you might expect, in this cyber age, much of the volume of "spying," by which we mean information gathering is done electronically because so much information is moved about by electronic means. Canada has an agency, separate and distinct from CSIS, that does that work.

If you are interested in that sort of work - in the intelligence part of CSIS and/or CSE - then, as dapaterson says, you will need a university degree, likely more than one, and some facility, better yet, fluency, in one or more foreign languages. There are CF members and other folks who roam around foreign countries gathering or trying to gather information - we call the CF people attachés and they are, mostly, colonels with one or more university degrees and some skill in a foreign language or two; the others are called diplomats - once again university educated and having some language skills. The information those folks gather is assembled and analyzed and rearranged and reviewed and turned into real intelligence by the analysts - the real intelligence professionals: grey little people, working in grey little cubicles in grey little office buildings in Canada's grey little capital.

French matters because these agencies are part of the Government of Canada - even if you have a PhD in physics and are fluent in Arabic, Hindi and Mandarin you had better be bilingual.

By the way ... Ian Fleming's James Bond character was modelled, in part, on Commander Lionel "Buster" Crabb, RN. But Crabb and his ilk were always rare, everywhere, and are even more so, today. And remember, Redhotpengy, all those in the intelligence world are Taoists at heart and they believe Lao Tzu's diuctum that "Those who know do not speak. Those who speak do not know.”
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Re: Thinking about a job in CSIS
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2012, 12:31:57 »
To be an Intelligence Officer in CSIS requries a University degree if you are female you have to be an 11 on the scale of 1 to 10.  Full stop.



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Re: Thinking about a job in CSIS
« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2012, 12:36:28 »

There.   Fixed that for you.

The female IOs I have met (with one exception) do not meet that criteria.  Even after copious numbers of shooters.
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