Author Topic: Canadian Sovereignty (Read 3721 times)

Apple2018 · « **on:** January 30, 2012, 21:28:06 »

With all of our integration with the US has Canada become just Canada in name,anthem and flag? Did we sign on to Northern Command I heard that in doing so, the Americans will be setting up bases in Canada. I am just civilian post secondary student but I love Canada more then anything and I fear we are losing it all agreement after agreement. Can someone clarify this for me? :cdn:http://forums.army.ca/forums/Smileys/Armyca/sm_canada.gif

ModlrMike · « **Reply #1 on:** January 30, 2012, 21:31:43 »

Two questions:

A. As a political science major shouldn't you already know the answer to this?

B. What school do you go to so I can avoid sending my kids there?

GAP · « **Reply #2 on:** January 30, 2012, 21:32:08 »

Continue your education.............you have a ways to go................

Apple2018 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 30, 2012, 21:37:59 »

Thats not fair, as the Definition of Sovereign: is the ability to create and pass laws within clearly defined boarders. Yes we have this criteria! Thats not the question I am asking here...

I am asking given these agreements we now have with all the integration between the USA are we losing our sovereignty? Will American bases becoming to our soil?

Thats all I ask...

GAP · « **Reply #4 on:** January 30, 2012, 21:44:45 »

no

question answered.

Apple2018 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 30, 2012, 21:48:25 »

Thanks GAP, and you are right I do have lots still to learn this is just my first year though!...

shreenan · « **Reply #6 on:** January 30, 2012, 21:51:13 »

Its not a big deal if the US built bases here, during the cold war the US had built/financed many radar stations in Canada.

SeaKingTacco · « **Reply #7 on:** January 30, 2012, 21:52:03 »

Quote from: Apple2018 on January 30, 2012, 21:48:25

Thanks GAP, and you are right I do have lots still to learn this is just my first year though!...

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clearly defined boarders.

Hopefully, spelling will be one of those things...

Apple2018 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 30, 2012, 22:01:34 »

@shreenan:

Canada and the USA see sovereignty differently though. For us it is mostly trade if our government can have access to markets this too is a form of sovereignty.As for the Americans it is military defence, if you as Harper says "Use it or lose it." I would personally see have the Americans here as not good.

To me as a proud Canadian, we must be able to make our own decisions with the US bases here that would remove freedom from our Gov't as security is out sourced!

Here is a quote from Diefenbaker to responding to the USA in Parliament "Canadians will not consent to be committed to war on any snap decision made by another nation."
- May 13, 1953, House of Commons.

Bruce Monkhouse · « **Reply #9 on:** January 30, 2012, 22:06:44 »

Apple2018,
Welcome to the site. Just a friendly hint, we have folks on here who do, or have done, the 'real' political thing for a living. These people know "real-world" consequences of the political game, not the school world of it. Please join in but just remember that tidbit of information please.
Thanks,
Bruce
Staff
army.ca

Apple2018 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 30, 2012, 22:09:55 »

Thanks Bruce! I mean no disrespect anyway... I am glad to hear that as they can help on my understanding our nation better!

Apple2018 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 30, 2012, 22:15:48 »

So having Americans soldiers stationed in Canada that would not be deemed a loss to our nation in anyway?

recceguy · « **Reply #12 on:** January 30, 2012, 22:17:45 »

Quote from: Apple2018 on January 30, 2012, 22:15:48

So having Americans soldiers stationed in Canada that would not be deemed a loss to our nation in anyway?

You tell us why it would.

Sythen · « **Reply #13 on:** January 30, 2012, 22:19:52 »

Quote from: Apple2018 on January 30, 2012, 22:15:48

So having Americans soldiers stationed in Canada that would not be deemed a loss to our nation in anyway?

There are already American soldiers stationed in Canada and there are Canadians stationed in the US..

dogger1936 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 30, 2012, 22:23:56 »

I grew up next to a US army base. And within 100km of two fully operational bases owned and ran by the Ol' USA. We were still a Canadian province then I'm sure we will be if they are stationed here again. I hadn't seen a Canadian soldier in my youth; but seen American soldiers near every week.

Apple2018 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 30, 2012, 22:26:35 »

I guess it could be deemed so, as a loss of internal sovereignty who controls does our government have say on there operational extent. I cannot lie I would be just pissed, I think for me it is like an occupying force.

Our forefathers did everything they could too keep the Americans at bay, I think it changed after WW2. And for sure after 9-11 I think that's when our sovereignty became more questionable at least to me! Like I said I love my nation beyond words there is noting I would not do for it

. I would not give my life for the USA though! We must remain fully free its a question freedom for me! I am too proud I guess?

Apple2018 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 30, 2012, 22:29:08 »

I know we have exchanges between us that's all good! I just do not want a American bases like in Europe or Germany's Frankfurt.

Ex-Dragoon · « **Reply #17 on:** January 30, 2012, 22:36:05 »

Again as stated we have not lost our sovereignty so relax and chill.

Milnet.Ca Staff

ModlrMike · « **Reply #18 on:** January 30, 2012, 22:49:41 »

The agreement you appear to refer to is the CANADA - US CIVIL ASSISTANCE PLAN (CAP). The full text of which is available here:

www.canadacom.forces.gc.ca/docs/pdf/cap_e.pdf

As you can see, there's no loss of sovereignty involved.

Apple2018 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 30, 2012, 22:53:10 »

Thanks ModlrMike: I lost a lot of sleep over this stuff to put it kindly... Once again thanks!

cupper · « **Reply #20 on:** January 30, 2012, 22:54:53 »

I would suggest, if you haven't done so already, take some time to travel outside Canada, and in particular visit your neighbor to the south. Nothing helps you understand your own country better than seeing through the eyes of another nation's citizens.

At the very least, spend some time researching the views that "real" Americans have about Canada.

Trust me, from my 10 years of living south of the 49th Parallel, you'll learn soon enough that our sovereignty is not in jeopardy.

Apple2018 · « **Reply #21 on:** January 30, 2012, 22:59:17 »

@cupper: I do agree I have not done much travelling out side our boarders! When I finish thats first on the list..

Dimsum · « **Reply #22 on:** January 30, 2012, 23:12:41 »

Quote from: cupper on January 30, 2012, 22:54:53

Trust me, from my 10 years of living south of the 49th Parallel, you'll learn soon enough that our sovereignty is not in jeopardy.

Quoted For Truth. I'll add that for more fun, try asking some of them who don't live in the top half of bordering states to name one major Canadian city. Despite Vancouver having hosted the last Winter Olympics.

cupper · « **Reply #23 on:** January 30, 2012, 23:29:27 »

Interestingly enough, my wife took the dogs to a local dog park over the weekend, and she met a couple there, the husband apparently has a degree in Canadian Studies from US school.

I've run into quite a few Americans locally who have some knowledge of Canada, and quite a few that have visited. But they are more exceptions that prove the rule that Americans for the most part have little concern for what happens outside their own borders.

cupper · « **Reply #24 on:** January 30, 2012, 23:32:08 »

And as long as we have hockey, Canada's sovereignty will never fall into dispute!

(However, the only exception appears to be some small out of the way arctic islands off the Greenland coast which some non-hockey playing Danes tried to usurp a few years ago.)

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Author Topic: Canadian Sovereignty (Read 3721 times)