Author Topic: Lord Strathcona's New Toys [Leopard 2A4M] (Read 6729 times)

tomahawk6 · « **on:** February 16, 2012, 13:04:43 »

Saw this on another site today.Hope its not a repost. They sure look sharp.Click on the image at the link and there are a series of images of the Leo's.

http://www.strathconas.ca/arrival-of-leopard-2-to-ldsh-rc/?id=748

Technoviking · « **Reply #1 on:** February 16, 2012, 13:49:15 »

33 years too late; however, I'm glad to see that Canada finally has its own PURCHASED Leopard 2s.

(As a reminder, we got our Leo 1s, aka "Leo C1" back in 1978, while in 1979, the Leo 2 was "released"...)

GK .Dundas · « **Reply #2 on:** February 16, 2012, 16:18:32 »

They had to pull the Leo I jigs out of storage and restart the production line while in the midst of starting the Leo II line.I suspect we're still not Kraus- Maffi 's favorite customers.

cupper · « **Reply #3 on:** February 16, 2012, 19:43:17 »

I remember when the first Leo's arrived in Halifax to be loaded on trains for delivery out west, or trucked to Gagetown.

I was still in Junior High at the time.

milnews.ca · « **Reply #4 on:** February 16, 2012, 19:51:27 »

A bit of moving pictures, too
https://www.youtube.com/user/LFWAPAO?ob=0&feature=results_main#p/u/4/I_xzBxak5uY

Tango18A · « **Reply #5 on:** February 16, 2012, 20:32:09 »

They have a lovely "New Car" smell inside.

cupper · « **Reply #6 on:** February 16, 2012, 20:50:04 »

Do they lose half their value as soon as you drive it off the lot?

Tango18A · « **Reply #7 on:** February 16, 2012, 21:44:43 »

Only if you crush the salesman's car, although 120mm is alot of bargaining power.

cupper · « **Reply #8 on:** February 16, 2012, 21:45:57 »

Did we purchase new recovery versions to go with them?

Tango18A · « **Reply #9 on:** February 16, 2012, 21:48:34 »

Yes.......but they aren't here yet

cupper · « **Reply #10 on:** February 16, 2012, 21:50:48 »

Love to see those babies when the come in.

Tango18A · « **Reply #11 on:** February 16, 2012, 21:52:55 »

The 2 that the Regt used overseas are coming to Canada on loan until next year. Hopefully CALGARY comes to the Regt.

Technoviking · « **Reply #12 on:** February 17, 2012, 04:40:20 »

Quote from: Tango18A on February 16, 2012, 21:52:55

The 2 that the Regt used overseas are coming to Canada on loan until next year. Hopefully CALGARY comes to the Regt.

George Wallace · « **Reply #13 on:** February 17, 2012, 09:08:22 »

Quote from: cupper on February 16, 2012, 19:43:17

I remember when the first Leo's arrived in Halifax to be loaded on trains for delivery out west, or trucked to Gagetown.

I was still in Junior High at the time.

Let's not confuse people and clarify this statement. For people in Halifax, Gagetown is "out west".

In 1978, no Leo 1's made it further West than Gagetown, or the RCEME School in Borden.

recceguy · « **Reply #14 on:** February 17, 2012, 12:09:27 »

Back on topic folks.

Milnet.ca Staff

jollyjacktar · « **Reply #15 on:** February 17, 2012, 12:16:32 »

You take all the fun out of running amok.

Nice to see your new ride Straths. Better late than never.

ltmaverick25 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 17, 2012, 12:33:54 »

I think the new tanks are more fun then geography! Working with a couple of armoured officers that wont stop talking about them. Makes me want to VOT!

cupper · « **Reply #17 on:** February 17, 2012, 18:52:40 »

Quote from: Technoviking on February 17, 2012, 04:40:20

Mmmmm. EME porn.

Tank Troll · « **Reply #18 on:** February 17, 2012, 23:11:38 »

Hahaha when I delivered that ARV to Maint troopp in MSG one of the guys said "That f&*king umbrella looks f&*king stupid we will never us it, what a waste of money.

Nerf herder · « **Reply #19 on:** February 18, 2012, 07:03:36 »

Quote from: Tank Troll on February 17, 2012, 23:11:38

Hahaha when I delivered that ARV to Maint troopp in MSG one of the guys said "That f&*king umbrella looks f&*king stupid we will never us it, what a waste of money.

They were just jealous of the fact that they didn't have one and had to bake while we were nice and cool.

Regards

Kirkhill · « **Reply #20 on:** February 18, 2012, 11:29:14 »

A Leopard with a Fringe on Top

The Strathcona's new Regimental Drive Past?

cupper · « **Reply #21 on:** February 18, 2012, 17:28:21 »

Quote from: Tank Troll on February 17, 2012, 23:11:38

Hahaha when I delivered that ARV to Maint troopp in MSG one of the guys said "That f&*king umbrella looks f&*king stupid we will never us it, what a waste of money.

Must have been a Reg Force wag. None of the Reserve wrench turners I worked with would have said something like that. In fact, it wouldn't be long before we would have rigged up something similar if the ARV showed up without it.

wildman0101 · « **Reply #22 on:** February 18, 2012, 17:50:35 »

Wow. Do they come with a warranty. And can you extend it.

Bless the tank God's.
Recceguy Hi ole pard.
Best Regard's all Zipperhead's.
Cheer's.
Scoty B

Tango18A · « **Reply #23 on:** February 18, 2012, 19:56:22 »

Quote from: cupper on February 18, 2012, 17:28:21

Must have been a Reg Force wag. None of the Reserve wrench turners I worked with would have said something like that. In fact, it wouldn't be long before we would have rigged up something similar if the ARV showed up without it.

Seems to me there aren't any ARV's in the PRes. And no PRes R411 techs qualified unless they are double dippers.

Infanteer · « **Reply #24 on:** February 19, 2012, 00:48:03 »

Ahh, Calgary - that thing pulled me out of more than one sticky situation....

OldTanker · « **Reply #25 on:** February 19, 2012, 01:23:46 »

Just two questions from an old tanker (literally). I notice on the Strathcona's Leo 2 information sheet (dated 21 Feb 11) that they will have three distinct variants (Leo 2A4 (9), 2A4M (11) and 2A6M (20)). I was wondering if it is likely the variants will be grouped by squadron or troop or whatever. And how are current tank squadrons organized? 4 x 4 + 3 in SHQ? Having served on Centurion and Leo C1 it is wonderful to see us finally getting leading-edge tanks.

Tango18A · « **Reply #26 on:** February 19, 2012, 10:53:08 »

The Sqn's are currently 3 x 4 with SHQ having 2-3. As for how the Tanks will be split by variant, we only have A4M right now.

Trooper Paraflare · « **Reply #27 on:** February 29, 2012, 22:53:27 »

I have yet to be able to take a look inside, we guys in HQ Sqn were told to keep our paws off of them! I think a peek is an order after spending two full days clearing all the old crap out of the white whale.

They still look nice and fresh, I love how the ECM antenna still have the bubblewrap on them.

Rumour has it we can't even take them to the field yet because it'll take another year or two to get an ARV large enough to tow them. I thought it pretty menacing that these bad boys don't even fit in the tank barn doors.

Nerf herder · « **Reply #28 on:** March 01, 2012, 08:34:46 »

Quote from: Trooper Paraflare on February 29, 2012, 22:53:27

I have yet to be able to take a look inside, we guys in HQ Sqn were told to keep our paws off of them! I think a peek is an order after spending two full days clearing all the old crap out of the white whale.

They still look nice and fresh, I love how the ECM antenna still have the bubblewrap on them.

Rumour has it we can't even take them to the field yet because it'll take another year or two to get an ARV large enough to tow them. I thought it pretty menacing that these bad boys don't even fit in the tank barn doors.

For once the rumours are right.

ArmyVern · « **Reply #29 on:** March 01, 2012, 08:44:04 »

Quote from: Technoviking on February 17, 2012, 04:40:20

Arggghhhhhh, I was sooooooo hoping never to see that again!!

cupper · « **Reply #30 on:** March 01, 2012, 14:13:17 »

Quote from: Trooper Paraflare on February 29, 2012, 22:53:27

I have yet to be able to take a look inside, we guys in HQ Sqn were told to keep our paws off of them! I think a peek is an order after spending two full days clearing all the old crap out of the white whale.

They still look nice and fresh, I love how the ECM antenna still have the bubblewrap on them.

Rumour has it we can't even take them to the field yet because it'll take another year or two to get an ARV large enough to tow them. I thought it pretty menacing that these bad boys don't even fit in the tank barn doors.

Do they have that new tank smell too?

Nerf herder · « **Reply #31 on:** March 01, 2012, 14:45:07 »

Quote from: cupper on March 01, 2012, 14:13:17

Do they have that new tank smell too?

Not that there are many in right now that actually knows what a new tank smells like.

In reality, these tanks are new to us....not new.

my72jeep · « **Reply #32 on:** March 01, 2012, 15:20:08 »

Quote from: cupper on March 01, 2012, 14:13:17

Do they have that new tank smell too?

New tank smell? gear oil, grease, diesel, paint, as opposed to old tank smell mud, sweat, diesel, grease, gear oil, paint, cordite.

armourhopeful · « **Reply #33 on:** March 16, 2012, 06:29:06 »

Man its awesome to see some new tanks coming in, my friend tells me they've been worth the wait. Hopefully these will open up some new positions. Anyone know how long until all the A4M's have been delivered to each regiment?

Tango18A · « **Reply #34 on:** March 16, 2012, 08:09:50 »

My Regt will be the only one with 2 Tank Sqn's. The composite Tank Sqn in Gagetown will be the only other unit to receive them, and it is RCD badged with some exceptions.

lethalLemon · « **Reply #35 on:** March 16, 2012, 08:45:21 »

Quote from: Tango18A on March 16, 2012, 08:09:50

My Regt will be the only one with 2 Tank Sqn's. The composite Tank Sqn in Gagetown will be the only other unit to receive them, and it is RCD badged with some exceptions.

So the Queen's Cavalry

will have how many total Leo 2s then? 2 tank sqn doesn't really sound like a lot, but I do know the LdSH(RC) also have a Recce sqn and RHQ/HQ sqn (which, should have tanks as well should it not?).

Edit: Never mind, I missed the post at the top of the page.

Tango18A · « **Reply #36 on:** March 16, 2012, 09:20:06 »

There are no tanks in RHQ. 9er has a LAV3.

Its all good.

George Wallace · « **Reply #37 on:** March 16, 2012, 10:28:16 »

I know our Leo 1's are really getting long in the tooth, but it is sad we couldn't cascade our vehs down like the Germans did when they got their Leo 2's into mass production and moved their Leo 1's into the Recce role, cascading them down to the Aufklärung Battalions.

Just the Tanker in me wishful thinking/dreaming.

Tango18A · « **Reply #38 on:** March 16, 2012, 11:06:03 »

Just redesignate them as TAPV, problem solved.

Lance Wiebe · « **Reply #39 on:** March 16, 2012, 11:08:11 »

Quote from: Tango18A on March 16, 2012, 11:06:03

Just redesignate them as TAPV, problem solved.

Except for the issue of parts.....and not enough people in the Corps to man everything....

Tango18A · « **Reply #40 on:** March 16, 2012, 12:18:14 »

True enough, we have enough issues with parts here on a daily basis.

wildman0101 · « **Reply #41 on:** March 16, 2012, 17:44:48 »

Oh that is such a pretty kitty. Sic/em. Just as an afterthought,can I buy a used one. LOL
Cheer's and best Regard's. Scoty B

Lance Wiebe · « **Reply #42 on:** March 16, 2012, 17:49:23 »

They are impressive. I had a chance to crawl all over them the last time I went to Edmonton.
Personally, I think they look better than the A6.

wildman0101 · « **Reply #43 on:** March 17, 2012, 17:47:37 »

Lance,,,
You got pic's right ? Cheer's Scoty B

Nerf herder · « **Reply #44 on:** March 18, 2012, 06:41:20 »

So do you have expressed permission to use these photos? The photos you have posted are stamped by someone I know who is currently writing a book, therefore there may be some copyright issues here.

That being said, they will be taken down unless he lets us know it's GTG.

The Army.ca Staff

Loachman · « **Reply #45 on:** March 18, 2012, 09:14:08 »

What are the little black rectangles?

my72jeep · « **Reply #46 on:** March 18, 2012, 09:19:26 »

Quote from: Loachman on March 18, 2012, 09:14:08

What are the little black rectangles?

GunTape

Tango18A · « **Reply #47 on:** March 18, 2012, 09:50:35 »

Attachment points for the Barracuda Thermal Cam. Its been stored, but the attachment pads remain....for now.

Nerf herder · « **Reply #48 on:** March 19, 2012, 06:03:31 »

Photos removed due to possible copyright infringement.

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Armynewsguy · « **Reply #49 on:** March 19, 2012, 07:08:07 »

Nerf herder, just for my personal intrest. How could someone taking pictures of DND equipment on a DND base possibly claim copyright on anything they shoot?

Thanks.

GAP · « **Reply #50 on:** March 19, 2012, 07:47:17 »

Quote from: Armynewsguy on March 19, 2012, 07:08:07

Nerf herder, just for my personal intrest. How could someone taking pictures of DND equipment on a DND base possibly claim copyright on anything they shoot?

Thanks.

I would think.....SWAG here.....with permission for a specific purpose.....back when dinosaurs roamed, we were not allowed to take any pics of our Tech Shops, even peripherally that might include background radar dishes, etc.....

not sure on today's rules, but.................

Loachman · « **Reply #51 on:** March 19, 2012, 11:54:51 »

Quote from: Tango18A on March 18, 2012, 09:50:35

Attachment points for the Barracuda Thermal Cam. Its been stored, but the attachment pads remain....for now.

I was thinking that, as they looked like strips of Velcro. How do they work (presuming that they are not actually Velcro)?

dapaterson · « **Reply #52 on:** March 19, 2012, 12:02:46 »

Quote from: Armynewsguy on March 19, 2012, 07:08:07

Nerf herder, just for my personal intrest. How could someone taking pictures of DND equipment on a DND base possibly claim copyright on anything they shoot?

Thanks.

That's copyright law. If I take a picture I own the copyright to that image. (Employees acting on behalf of their employer usually have assigned the copyright of their work to their employer, but that's a different situation).

ADDED: A good overview of copyright as applicable to photographs in Canada is http://www.capic.org/resources.html?screen=bp&t=bp_section&chapter=What+You+Sell

Armynewsguy · « **Reply #53 on:** March 19, 2012, 12:35:17 »

Quote from: dapaterson on March 19, 2012, 12:02:46

That's copyright law. If I take a picture I own the copyright to that image. (Employees acting on behalf of their employer usually have assigned the copyright of their work to their employer, but that's a different situation).

ADDED: A good overview of copyright as applicable to photographs in Canada is http://www.capic.org/resources.html?screen=bp&t=bp_section&chapter=What+You+Sell

dapaterson

I skimmed through your attachment but I still wonder on the validity of taking photos of kit on a DND base and claiming copyright. Unless the photographer did have the permission of the base to take photos and copyright them. If the work was not for profit I could understand but if there is profit to be made I don't know.

In the attachment it states"(Note: in certain cases, you do need permission to include other people and/or their property in your work, see section on model releases). This is the part that has me wondering, thanks for the link.

Haletown · « **Reply #54 on:** March 19, 2012, 12:46:08 »

In a related story, serious reasons not to take pictures of stuff.

http://www.livescience.com/19114-military-social-media-geotags.html

Four Apaches located, targeted and then destroyed.

dapaterson · « **Reply #55 on:** March 19, 2012, 12:52:00 »

Copyright and commerical exploitation of that copyrighted image are two different things. Copyright is automatic.

CF members performing their duties generally can't assert rights to their own image or privacy rights, as they are considered "public officers" and thus, barring other statutory reasons such as the security of information act, they are fair game when on duty in uniform.

Nerf herder · « **Reply #56 on:** March 19, 2012, 14:57:20 »

Quote from: Armynewsguy on March 19, 2012, 07:08:07

Nerf herder, just for my personal intrest. How could someone taking pictures of DND equipment on a DND base possibly claim copyright on anything they shoot?

Thanks.

Seeing as the individual is known by the Armour community to be in the process of writing a book and the photos in question are stamped with his name - why run the risk of drawing any legal attention to this site from outside?

The Army.ca Staff

Armynewsguy · « **Reply #57 on:** March 19, 2012, 15:39:01 »

Quote from: Nerf herder on March 19, 2012, 14:57:20

Seeing as the individual is known by the Armour community to be in the process of writing a book and the photos in question are stamped with his name - why run the risk of drawing any legal attention to this site from outside?

The Army.ca Staff

Ack; as someone who has shot hundreds of photos that are floating around the internet and god knows where else (although a lot of them belong to DND) it was purely my own interest in how you perceived copyright and why you though they should be taken down.

Personally I don’t care if my photos are used and I am quite happy to see them pop up every once and a while on an internet site or a magazine. That is not to say that one of these days some one could easily take a photo of mine and display it out of context, but that is the risk you run when you make photos easily accessible.

Sorry for the derail of the thread.

Tango18A · « **Reply #58 on:** March 19, 2012, 20:33:36 »

Quote from: Loachman on March 19, 2012, 11:54:51

I was thinking that, as they looked like strips of Velcro. How do they work (presuming that they are not actually Velcro)?

They are velcro.

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Author Topic: Lord Strathcona's New Toys [Leopard 2A4M] (Read 6729 times)