Topic: The " Reference" Superthread- Merged

[Snow]

From what I've heard- yes that will suffice. But if it means anything I've actually decided against using my old HS teacher. I'm now going with a family friend who's known me forever and basically 4 friends/co-workers who know me well, and all over 5 years. I'm a little nervous about not really having any "supervisors" as references, but the nature of being a student makes it hard to have someone like that who's known you well for 5 years. I decided to go with people who know me best. We'll see how it turns out.

I'd use employment references if I had them, but unfortunately I haven't known any that long.

The first 5 people I intend to ask are two teachers, a pastor, a family friend and a personal friend.

[maltyy]

So wait wait wait...you're saying I can use references that have known me since I was 16, instead of people I've known for 5 years? I'm 17 right now, and the most time that a possible reference has known me for is probably 3 years. Is that okay? Also, my uncle is a past employer, can i still not use him?

[jasonf6]

So wait wait wait...you're saying I can use references that have known me since I was 16, instead of people I've known for 5 years? I'm 17 right now, and the most time that a possible reference has known me for is probably 3 years. Is that okay? Also, my uncle is a past employer, can i still not use him?

The way I understood the family aspect of it is that you can't use immediate family (ie, mother, father, brother and sister).  Uncle's should be okay unless they were your guardian in lieu of a mother/father figure. 

As to the age 16 think, isn't that the earliest possible age you can apply at (with consent)?  It may be that they say up to 16 because of this fact and the years immediately prior to that is when you start to develop a sense of what you want to do and start showing your maturity?  I dunno, I'm not a psychologist or anything.

[PMedMoe]

So wait wait wait...you're saying I can use references that have known me since I was 16, instead of people I've known for 5 years? I'm 17 right now, and the most time that a possible reference has known me for is probably 3 years. Is that okay? Also, my uncle is a past employer, can i still not use him?

Right from the Forces website:

PERSONAL AND EMPLOYMENT REFERENCE CHECKS
 
You must provide five references from people who are not relatives. These people must have known you for the last five years (or since you were 16, whichever comes first).

[jasonf6]

Well, there you have it.

[CDN Aviator]

Well, there you have it.

Yes...the same instructions on all the forms for references.........odd !

[maltyy]

So are the references just called by the recruiter and have to talk to them, or do the references have to write a letter or something? Would that help or is it not necessary?

[jasonf6]

So are the references just called by the recruiter and have to talk to them, or do the references have to write a letter or something? Would that help or is it not necessary?

The process I just went through, file heading to Borden now, had the recruiter calling mine.  I wasn't required to bring a letter from any of them.

[shooked1]

How important are your reference's in the grand scheme of the recruiting process? I know a lot of people, but most of the people I would put down on the reference I have not know long enough.

[CDN Aviator]

Would that help or is it not necessary?

Fill out the form and hand it in. Thats what you are told to do. Simply follow direction.

[AviatorHB]

Hello, I went to the CFRC and they gave me forms. The references sheet was given to me and the recruiter told me I only needed 3 references. I asked him "I thought it was 5?" and he said " no 3" On the sheet, there are only 3 areas to be filled for reference 1,2 and 3.

Why do I only need 3 references while the website claims 5?
Also I find this whole recruitment process a mess...

[jasonf6]

The sheet I used had places for five references....the more the better honestly because if some don't answer the phone they move on to another.  As part of the interview the recruiting officer will give you more forms to fill out and ask you to put down 3 of the 5 references you provided.

[PMedMoe]

Hello, I went to the CFRC and they gave me forms. The references sheet was given to me and the recruiter told me I only needed 3 references. I asked him "I thought it was 5?" and he said " no 3" On the sheet, there are only 3 areas to be filled for reference 1,2 and 3.

Why do I only need 3 references while the website claims 5?
Also I find this whole recruitment process a mess...

I'm guessing that some forms have been updated or the website or vice versa.

A mess?  Hell, if it were easy, everyone would be doing it.....oh wait, never mind.......   

[CDN Aviator]

Also I find this whole recruitment process a mess...

The form has 3 spaces. The recruiter told you 3...........

Provide 3 f***** references.

[FlyingDutchman]

I'm guessing that some forms have been updated or the website or vice versa.

A mess?  Hell, if it were easy, everyone would be doing it.....oh wait, never mind.......   

The five reference sheet is used by Back Check, a company that is no longer in use by the CF.  If they were to use that sheet, it would cost the CF $100.  - to paraphrase my recuiter, who also found it very perplexing that my application had the five reference older sheet.

[jasonf6]

The five reference sheet is used by Back Check, a company that is no longer in use by the CF.  If they were to use that sheet, it would cost the CF $100.  - to paraphrase my recuiter, who also found it very perplexing that my application had the five reference older sheet.

Ah, I also thought it was a little much.

....

[GAP]

Because you insist on second guessing anything and everything..........read instructions, follow instructions....period.

[AviatorHB]

The form has 3 spaces. The recruiter told you 3...........

Provide 3 f***** references.

Thank you for your input. 

[KeoughJ]

Hey guys, quicky question. Just sent my initial application through online, and I have all the paper works there requesting except my Letters of references. I just want to know if there looking for anything specific or just a general letter?

Thanks

[Waters81]

Hey guys, quicky question. Just sent my initial application through online, and I have all the paper works there requesting except my Letters of references. I just want to know if there looking for anything specific or just a general letter?

Thanks

Not sure about the reserves, but I'm pretty sure that they dont accept letters of reference anymore. There is a form that you fill out that allows you to provide the contact information for 3 references (or 5, pretty sure it was changed to 3 though). Contact your local RC to confrim, but I'm pretty sure thats the process now.

If anyone knows better, please feel free to correct me, I don't want to be the one providing false information and causing issues.

[KeoughJ]

Not sure about the reserves, but I'm pretty sure that they dont accept letters of reference anymore. There is a form that you fill out that allows you to provide the contact information for 3 references (or 5, pretty sure it was changed to 3 though). Contact your local RC to confrim, but I'm pretty sure thats the process now.

If anyone knows better, please feel free to correct me, I don't want to be the one providing false information and causing issues.

Applying full time forces and this is what the site is saying
 
Apprentice Papers                      Not Applicable
Birth Certificate                          Required
Birth Certificate of Dependents  Not Applicable
Certificate/Card of Citizenship   Not Applicable
Letter of Reference 1                 Required
Letter of Reference 2                 Required
Marriage Certificate                   Not Applicable
Pilot Log Books                          Not Applicable
Professional Licenses                Not Applicable
Social Insurance Card                Not Applicable
Transcript of School Marks         Required
Signed Employment Application Form Received
TBS 330-60 - Security Clearance Not Applicable
TBS 330-23 - Pers Screening     Required

Now I filled out everything and have copies of my b.c., and transcripts and a filled out TBS330-23 form. It seems as I wont be dealing with my local RC until this paper work is handed in and I would have called the National Recruitment Centre today if I had time (at work between there hours of operation) to get this sorted and with the weekend happening now I would like to make use of the opportunity of free time. If someone has just been through this your advice would prove useful.

[Gulruthina]

Hi All,

I have a question in regards to references and Employment History.

1. Am I required to list all my employment history up to (5) years? If I chose not to list one of my part time jobs or any (1) of my jobs within the past 5 years, would that be a problem?

2. I am trying to fill up my Data Verification form and it ask of me to provide (4) Professional References. I am 24 years old and I just started my career as an accountant 2 years ago, that said, no one in my office or in the whole company I can use as a reference because I have only been working there for 2 years so everyone I know, Manager, Supervisor or co-workers have known me for 2 years.

Can I use (4) references from my personal friend and classmates category instead?

I cannot use my college professors because the classes and lectures are usually huge and I doubt they remember me as I don't really have a conversation with them on a daily basis.

Thanks,
Mark

[CDN Aviator]

would that be a problem?[/b]

YES !

The instructions tell you to list employment for that period. It doesn't tell you to cherry-pick what jobs to list.

Start getting used to doing exactly what is asked.

[Gulruthina]

would that be a problem?[/b]

YES !

The instructions tell you to list employment for that period. It doesn't tell you to cherry-pick what jobs to list.

Start getting used to doing exactly what is asked.

Thanks! Also, on the form it tells me to write "Name of Contacts" and "Contacts Telephone#" and then "May we contact".

What question is,  if I chose the option "May we contact = No", would that affect my application?

[armywife78]

yeah...about references...what if i dont really have anyone that knows me for 5 years?? I am sorry but I have been moving alot. AND the ask for 5 of them!! 
any advice?