Author Topic: The Iran Super Thread- Merged (Read 211915 times)

Spectrum · « **Reply #2025 on:** February 05, 2012, 22:05:04 »

Tell me about it, maaaaaan! I'm posted to a city!

Why do I have to work this frickin' job man? Luxury condos should be free!

cupper · « **Reply #2026 on:** February 05, 2012, 22:21:20 »

Quote from: Apple2018 on February 05, 2012, 15:39:44

I am not after an argument. I'm not the best at getting an idea's across on a written forum is all perhaps a better orator. I am angry at our governments seemingly ignorant stance on not hearing Canadians out. They will hear the voices of big oil but not ours.

I have just as much at stake in Canada as anyone else, and I see Harper as a threat to my future and my families. His policies are not guaranteed to work. I have a right to question him as he is my Prime Minister too. I know military personal do not get to question,except at voting time; but I am taught there is no such thing as an expert we all have vested interests, and thus a right to question everything and anything.

In the summer months I work in the oil sands to pay for my education, and I can see first hand the big oil mentality. The Canadian people do not exist in the oil sands, we are just labour if we do not get the amount of progress they want, they send in foreign workers as we are starting to see with Harpers immigration plan to bring in 40k people.

You should seek immediate medical attention, as it is obvious the volitile solutes you have been exposed to during your time on the oil sands has seriously diminished your capacity to formulate a coherent argument, sentence or thought.

Now back to our original programming, already in progress.

NFLD Sapper · « **Reply #2027 on:** February 05, 2012, 22:34:20 »

I think he gets the picture.........

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Foxhound · « **Reply #2028 on:** February 06, 2012, 19:14:37 »

I know I'm not supposed to feed trolls, however this stood out.

Quote from: Apple2018 on February 05, 2012, 15:39:44

I am angry at our governments seemingly ignorant stance on not hearing Canadians out. They will hear the voices of big oil but not ours.

But you see, Apple, they have heard our voices, and they are doing their best at doing what we told them to do. It's called an election.

Here's how that works: We need someone to run the day-to-day operations of the country, so some people tell us to vote for them, then they tell us why we should vote for them, then they tell us why we should not vote for the other people. Whoever gets the most votes gets to do what they told us they were going to do. Then they do it.

If the winners don't do the things the other people in the election said they would do, then the people who voted for the people who didn't win tend to get upset and yell about how the government doesn't listen. But, guess what? You, the upset non-winning voter, have several options.

You can:
Vote again for the people who didn't win, in the next election. (Suggest you read more between now and then, however.)
Contact the people who didn't win and tell them how upset you are. (Not that it will help you in any way.)
Contact the people who did win and tell them upset you are and how they can make you feel better. (Be prepared to provide more facts and less hyperbole.)

Dont forget: "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." (Winston Churchill, from a House of Commons speech on Nov. 11, 1947)

cupper · « **Reply #2029 on:** February 06, 2012, 21:29:38 »

Quote from: Foxhound on February 06, 2012, 19:14:37

I know I'm not supposed to feed trolls, however this stood out.

But you see, Apple, they have heard our voices, and they are doing their best at doing what we told them to do. It's called an election.

Here's how that works: We need someone to run the day-to-day operations of the country, so some people tell us to vote for them, then they tell us why we should vote for them, then they tell us why we should not vote for the other people. Whoever gets the most votes gets to do what they told us they were going to do. Then they do it.

If the winners don't do the things the other people in the election said they would do, then the people who voted for the people who didn't win tend to get upset and yell about how the government doesn't listen. But, guess what? You, the upset non-winning voter, have several options.

You can:
Vote again for the people who didn't win, in the next election. (Suggest you read more between now and then, however.)
Contact the people who didn't win and tell them how upset you are. (Not that it will help you in any way.)
Contact the people who did win and tell them upset you are and how they can make you feel better. (Be prepared to provide more facts and less hyperbole.)

Dont forget: "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." (Winston Churchill, from a House of Commons speech on Nov. 11, 1947)

I agree with everything you said, except the first premise that the politicians run the day to day operations of the country. Actually it is the unelected bureaucracy that takes care of the day to day issues of keeping the country going. The elected Members set policy and create the laws around which the country functions.

Foxhound · « **Reply #2030 on:** February 06, 2012, 21:59:14 »

Quote from: cupper on February 06, 2012, 21:29:38

I agree with everything you said, except the first premise that the politicians run the day to day operations of the country. Actually it is the unelected bureaucracy that takes care of the day to day issues of keeping the country going. The elected Members set policy and create the laws around which the country functions.

Wholeheartedly agree. I should have made that clearer.

Thucydides · « **Reply #2031 on:** February 11, 2012, 01:28:11 »

The regime attempts to gain control by cutting off the Internet:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2099549/Iran-government-cuts-internet-access-hardline-regime-makes-stand.html

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Iran government cuts off internet access as hardline regime makes a stand

By John Hutchinson

Last updated at 9:01 PM on 10th February 2012

Iran has demonstrated further evidence of its strict regime after the government cut internet links leaving millions without email and social networks.

Interestingly, the shutdown comes at a time when inhabitants are preparing to celebrate the 33rd anniversary of the Islamic Revolution, with rumours of anti-government protests also planned.

But some internet boffins are rising above the crackdown, and accessing the web by using proxy servers over VPN connections.

Gmail, Google and Yahoo are all thought to have been restricted, and users have been unable to log in to their online banking.

'The interesting thing is that when asked, they deny the fact that all these services are all blocked,' an Iranian contacted by CNET said.

'I don't know the the infrastructure that they will use but I don't think we have a way out of that one.

'We are getting closer and closer to North Korea.'

Blanket ban: Internet users in Iran are again facing an outage as the government tries to crack down on any opposition

Blanket ban: Internet users in Iran are again facing an outage as the government tries to crack down on any opposition

Only last month, Mail Online reported how two Iranian bloggers had been captured and set to be executed, accused of 'spreading corruption' ahead of the parliamentary elections.

Four journalist were also arrested as Tehran cracked down on freedom of expression - much to the dismay of the Western world.

Also last month, the country's Information Minister announced plans for a goverment-run intranet, giving the state the upper hand in its cyber-battle with opponents.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2099549/Iran-government-cuts-internet-access-hardline-regime-makes-stand.html#ixzz1m3H5GmAd

Thucydides · « **Reply #2032 on:** February 13, 2012, 18:04:04 »

Almost all of the elements for a nuclear Iran are in place. The number of options are rapidly diminishing for those who oppose a nuclear Iran and especially a nuclear theocratic regime:

http://pjmedia.com/blog/breaking-irans-fordow-nuke-plant-now-fully-operational/?print=1

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Breaking: Iran’s ‘Fordow’ Nuke Plant Now Fully Operational
Posted By Reza Kahlili On February 12, 2012 @ 9:37 pm In Uncategorized | 33 Comments

According to Mehr News Agency, sources within Iran revealed [1] that there will be an announcement in a few days that the previously secret nuclear site, the Fordow nuclear enrichment facility, is now fully operational and enriching uranium at a 20% level.

The world learned about the existence of this site in 2009 when the Iranians disclosed it to the IAEA right before President Obama, Prime Minister Gordon Brown of the United Kingdom, and President Nicolas Sarkozy of France made statements at the G-20 summit in Pittsburg that referenced the secret Iranian site.

The site is built deep into a mountain on a Revolutionary Guards’ base near the city of Qom.

The Iranian leaders had intended to transfer much of their low-enriched uranium stock from Natanz to Fordow and to start the process of enrichment at a much higher level with protection against any attack.

It is reported that the site cannot be destroyed even with the current bunker-buster bombs kept in the U.S. military’s arsenal.

It should be noted that the Fordow facility can only house 3,000 centrifuges, and is therefore useless for providing fuel for a nuclear power plant. The only purpose is for clandestine use or for making a nuclear bomb. It is also important to note that enriching uranium to the 20% level is 9/10 of the way to weaponization.

Iran currently has enough enriched uranium for six nuclear bombs and continues its illicit nuclear activities despite four different sets of UN sanctions already in place.

On Saturday, marking the anniversary of Iran’s 1979 Islamic revolution, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad promised to announce important news within days on the Iranian nuclear program. At the same time, the Iranian foreign minister, Ali Akbar Salehi, stated [2] that Iran is ready for the worst-case scenario in its confrontation with the West over its nuclear program.

Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei, during his recent Friday prayer sermon, called Israel “a cancerous tumor that should and will be cut [3],” and warned the U.S. that any aggression will result in a response ten times greater on America.

As reported recently [4], the Iranians not only have received intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) technology from China and are working with North Korea on assembling the missiles, but they also have succeeded in completing the component for a nuclear bomb trigger [5], overcoming a major obstacle in obtaining the bomb.

Reza Kahlili [6] is a pseudonym for a former CIA operative in Iran’s Revolutionary Guards and the author of the award winning book, A Time to Betray [7]. He is a senior Fellow with EMPact America [8] and teaches at the U.S. Department of Defense’s Joint Counterintelligence Training Academy (JCITA).

Article printed from PJ Media: http://pjmedia.com

URL to article: http://pjmedia.com/blog/breaking-irans-fordow-nuke-plant-now-fully-operational/

URLs in this post:

[1] sources within Iran revealed: http://www.mehrnews.com/en/newsdetail.aspx?NewsID=1532512
[2] Ali Akbar Salehi, stated: http://www.mehrnews.com/en/newsdetail.aspx?NewsID=1531611
[3] a cancerous tumor that should and will be cut: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/world/jan-june12/iran1_02-03.html
[4] As reported recently: http://atimetobetray.com/blog/china-is-helping-to-arm-iran-and-sidestep-sanctions-thanks-to-an-assist-from-north-korea/
[5] completing the component for a nuclear bomb trigger: http://atimetobetray.com/blog/countdown-irans-finger-on-nuclear-trigger/
[6] Reza Kahlili: http://atimetobetray.com/
[7] A Time to Betray: http://www.amazon.com/Time-Betray-Astonishing-Double-Revolutionary/dp/143918903X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1267629519&sr=1-1
[8] EMPact America: http://empactamerica.org/

GAP · « **Reply #2033 on:** February 15, 2012, 07:48:14 »

Iran cuts oil exports to six European nations, says state TV
Published 21 minutes ago
Article Link
Associated Press

TEHRAN- Iranian state TV says Tehran has cut oil exports to six European countries in response to European Union sanctions, which include a boycott of new oil contracts with Iran.

No details were immediately made available on the Press TV report Wednesday, including which six nations were affected by the decision.

The move comes days after Iran’s oil minister, Rostam Qassemi, said Tehran could cut off oil exports to “hostile” European nations as tensions rise over the Islamic Republic’s nuclear program.

Iran argues that the EU oil embargo will not cripple its economy, claiming that the country already has identified new customers. European sales account for about 18 per cent of Iran’s total crude exports.
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cupper · « **Reply #2034 on:** February 15, 2012, 21:54:45 »

Yep makes perfect sense.

You won't buy our oil because we want to build a nuke, so in retaliation, we're not going to sell you the oil that you won't buy.

GAP · « **Reply #2035 on:** February 16, 2012, 07:52:51 »

I think the article is right in that the leadership is playing to a domestic audience....unrest is increasing, Ahmadinejad is putting pressure on the corrupt clergy, and they are trying again to create an outside threat to gather the fold in in support of Iran.............anyone remember the cake made of Yellow Cake?

Aggressive Acts by Iran Signal Pressure on Its Leadership
By SCOTT SHANE and ROBERT F. WORTH February 15, 2012
Article Link

WASHINGTON — A string of aggressive gestures by Iran this week — assassination attempts on Israelis living abroad that were attributed to Tehran, renewed posturing over its nuclear program and fresh threats of economic retaliation — suggest that Iranian leaders are responding frantically, and with increasing unpredictability, to the tightening of sanctions by the West.

As investigators unearthed new evidence implicating Iran in the attacks this week in Thailand, India and Georgia, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran announced Wednesday what he said was his country’s latest nuclear advance, and Iran’s Oil Ministry threatened to pre-empt a European oil embargo by cutting off sales to six countries there.

“These are all facets of the same message,” said Muhammad Sahimi, an analyst and professor at the University of Southern California. “Iran is saying, ‘If you hit us, we will hit back, and we are not going to sacrifice our nuclear program.’ ”

The flurry of Iranian actions and statements comes as Western governments are watching closely for signs of Iran’s reaction to the tougher sanctions they have imposed. But the intentions of Iran’s divided leadership are notoriously difficult to divine, and even as Mr. Ahmadinejad declared defiantly that “the era of bullying nations has passed,” another Iranian official said Tehran was ready for new talks on the nuclear issue.

The European Union’s foreign policy chief, Catherine Ashton, confirmed on Wednesday that she had received a reply from a top Iranian official responding to her invitation to negotiations over the future of its nuclear program. Iran’s Al Alam television said the country had offered to “hold new talks over its nuclear program in a constructive way.”

American officials reacted with caution to the reported offer to talk and said they saw little substance in either the oil threat or Mr. Ahmadinejad’s announcement that Iran had new centrifuges able to enrich uranium more quickly. The Iranian president was shown on live television overseeing the loading of what was described as an Iranian-made fuel rod into a research reactor and declaring that “the arrogant powers cannot monopolize nuclear technology. They tried to prevent us by issuing sanctions and resolutions but failed.”

Victoria Nuland, the State Department spokeswoman, said that Mr. Ahmadinejad’s remarks appeared “calibrated mostly for a domestic audience.”
More on link

Northalbertan · « **Reply #2036 on:** February 16, 2012, 11:00:55 »

Quote from: cupper on February 05, 2012, 22:21:20

You should seek immediate medical attention, as it is obvious the volitile solutes you have been exposed to during your time on the oil sands has seriously diminished your capacity to formulate a coherent argument, sentence or thought.

Now back to our original programming, already in progress.

OMG, Apple is a political science major? Attending university somehere.?. How the hell did he get admitted with sentence structure and spelling like that? I can only imagine what sort of summer job he has in the oilsands, survey crew comes to mind, for a couple of reasons. And really, Big Oil can't be that bad, they are helping him get his @ss through school. I don't usually slag anybody but really? This kid needs a severe dose of reality. He is welcome to his views but man are they ever out there.

GAP · « **Reply #2037 on:** February 18, 2012, 08:12:45 »

Global clearinghouse ready to evict Iranian banks
By Anne Gearan and Slobodan Lekic Associated Press Friday, February 17, 2012
Article Link

BRUSSELS — An international banking clearinghouse crucial to Iran’s oil sales said Friday that it is preparing to discontinue services to Iranian financial institutions, an unprecedented and potentially devastating blow to Tehran as the West ramps up a campaign to stop its nuclear program.

The statement by the Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication, known as SWIFT, suggests that the European Union — under pressure from Washington — is close to approving regulations that will require the Brussels-based hub to evict Iranian institutions from its ranks.

Some U.S. lawmakers are pushing for sanctions on SWIFT itself if it keeps up its services to Iran. SWIFT lawyers were coming to Washington next week for meetings with Congress, and Friday’s announcement was widely seen as a way to head off that action.

The Obama administration wants to see Iran barred from using the financial pass-through, which is used by virtually every nation in the world and overseen by major central banks, but it has no direct leverage. Washington was keen to see Europe act first, or to have SWIFT act on its own.

A U.S. Treasury Department official, speaking on condition of anonymity because SWIFT’s action is still pending, said that the U.S. welcomes the move. The official said the U.S. will continue to urge the EU to act quickly.

Mark Dubowitz, an Iran sanctions expert advising the Obama administration, said an EU directive to SWIFT is expected within a few weeks.

More than 40 Iranian banks and institutions use SWIFT to process financial transactions, and losing access to that flow of international funds could badly damage the Islamic republic’s economy. It would also probably hurt average Iranians more than the welter of existing banking sanctions already in place since prices for household goods would rise while the value of Iranian currency would drop
More on link

Rifleman62 · « **Reply #2038 on:** February 18, 2012, 10:28:34 »

Can Iran bypass this through China and/or Russia? Money laundering?

CDN Aviator · « **Reply #2039 on:** February 18, 2012, 11:13:12 »

Top Gun, Iran style.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=W53rJGzrViI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh9RkKBZYX8&feature=related

Bart905 · « **Reply #2040 on:** February 21, 2012, 23:57:30 »

I was at the barber shop today and the news was on and it said .... Iran threatens to strike first . No offense to our Israeli allies but Iran is not a pawn on the chess board . Iran vs Israel one on one I think Iran will diffidently win, but if course before that happens UN will step in and kicks Iran's ()().

CDN Aviator · « **Reply #2041 on:** February 22, 2012, 04:47:39 »

Quote from: Bart905 on February 21, 2012, 23:57:30

Iran vs Israel one on one I think Iran will diffidently win,

Oh, do explain.

lethalLemon · « **Reply #2042 on:** February 22, 2012, 06:06:38 »

Quote from: Bart905 on February 21, 2012, 23:57:30

I was at the barber shop today and the news was on and it said .... Iran threatens to strike first . No offense to our Israeli allies but Iran is not a pawn on the chess board . Iran vs Israel one on one I think Iran will diffidently win, but if course before that happens UN will step in and kicks Iran's ()().

Need I remind you of the Yom Kippur war? Six-Day War? Or how about the time Israel invaded Lebanon and held a sector in the southern part of the country after a little group of PLO guerillas decided to kill and injure no more than 100 people? (oh sorry, they actually invaded twice). 1981, they bombed Iraq's only nuclear power plant in Baghdad.

Israel can fight, and they fight hard. Plus they've got the US of A following in right behind them if they need it.
Israel has never lost a conflict, and they're not going to start.

Thucydides · « **Reply #2043 on:** February 22, 2012, 19:23:41 »

Israel cannot afford to lose a war, so will fight as hard as they can to win, and will become very savage should their backs be to the wall (or sea in this case) and on the verge of destruction.

The United States may or may not be involved under this administration, nor should we expect the UN to intervene, except against Israel. Watching the anti semetic fireworks in the so called Durban conference or the UN and world reaction during "OPERATION CAST LEAD" to clear out Hamas rocket teams from the Gaza strip should clear your head of any notions of UN intervention against Iran.

That being said, from a logistical perspective, Israel will have great difficulties beyond a fairly limited series of goals in any campaign against Iran, you can wargame various combinations but once you start getting mission creep then you will get into difficulties. Iran OTOH also has logistical issues of its own, and needs to consider that they are considered ethnic and religious enemies of the Arabs and the Turks as well, so needs to meter its use of force accordingly.

cupper · « **Reply #2044 on:** February 22, 2012, 20:08:05 »

Quote from: CDN Aviator on February 22, 2012, 04:47:39

Quote from: Bart905 on Yesterday at 22:57:30
Iran vs Israel one on one I think Iran will diffidently win,

Oh, do explain.

Never mind that, this is what I want the poster to explain:

Quote from: Bart905 on February 21, 2012, 23:57:30

but if course before that happens UN will step in and kicks Iran's ()().

Jim Seggie · « **Reply #2045 on:** February 22, 2012, 21:35:40 »

Quote from: cupper on February 22, 2012, 20:08:05

Never mind that, this is what I want the poster to explain:

Yes, I want to read that as well.

Larry Strong · « **Reply #2046 on:** February 23, 2012, 00:23:34 »

I want him to explain how "diffidently" fits into the equation!!

dif·fi·dent (df-dnt, -dnt)
adj.
1. Lacking or marked by a lack of self-confidence; shy and timid. See Synonyms at shy1.
2. Reserved in manner.

lethalLemon · « **Reply #2047 on:** February 23, 2012, 05:47:24 »

Quote from: Thucydides on February 22, 2012, 19:23:41

Israel cannot afford to lose a war, so will fight as hard as they can to win, and will become very savage should their backs be to the wall (or sea in this case) and on the verge of destruction.

The United States may or may not be involved under this administration, nor should we expect the UN to intervene, except against Israel. Watching the anti semetic fireworks in the so called Durban conference or the UN and world reaction during "OPERATION CAST LEAD" to clear out Hamas rocket teams from the Gaza strip should clear your head of any notions of UN intervention against Iran.

That being said, from a logistical perspective, Israel will have great difficulties beyond a fairly limited series of goals in any campaign against Iran, you can wargame various combinations but once you start getting mission creep then you will get into difficulties. Iran OTOH also has logistical issues of its own, and needs to consider that they are considered ethnic and religious enemies of the Arabs and the Turks as well, so needs to meter its use of force accordingly.

The UN is a joke (and even that's an understatement). Sure, they've probably done some remote good for someone, somewhere; but I am not in the slightest pleased with much of anything they've ever done (and I doubt anything in the future will be any different either, knowing their track record).

estoguy · « **Reply #2048 on:** February 23, 2012, 09:24:55 »

The possible sanctions could hold up 20% of the world's oil... its bullshit, because in the end its only going to hurt consumers and the economy.

Let them have their nuclear program and if they make nukes, so what? Fat chance they will ever use them. Even though Ammadinnajacket might be a bit of a loon, the man has publicly acknowledged that if they did produce nuclear weapons and used them, they would just be ensuring their own destruction. The chances of them using the weapons are small.

Isreal has over 150 nuclear weapons already. Why are they allowed to have them? Oh right, its only Muslims that can't have WMD. Right. I think, if anything, Iran having nukes would equalize the playing field in the middle east and cause a Cold War Detente-type situation.

E.R. Campbell · « **Reply #2049 on:** February 23, 2012, 09:49:28 »

Quote from: estoguy on February 23, 2012, 09:24:55

The possible sanctions could hold up 20% of the world's oil... its bullshit, because in the end its only going to hurt consumers and the economy.

Let them have their nuclear program and if they make nukes, so what? Fat chance they will ever use them. Even though Ammadinnajacket might be a bit of a loon, the man has publicly acknowledged that if they did produce nuclear weapons and used them, they would just be ensuring their own destruction. The chances of them using the weapons are small.

Isreal has over 150 nuclear weapons already. Why are they allowed to have them? Oh right, its only Muslims that can't have WMD. Right. I think, if anything, Iran having nukes would equalize the playing field in the middle east and cause a Cold War Detente-type situation.

I think that "doing nothing" - allowing Iran to go nuclear - might provoke a major, nuclear war in the region ...
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... which might not be an altogether bad thing. It, a Middle Eastern, even West Asian nuclear war, is not unthinkable: the casualties would number in the hundreds of thousands, at least - almost all civilians, and the destruction would be quite extensive but, as Hiroshima and Nagasaki demonstrated, both people and things can be replaced and, on the bright side, the stalemate might be broken. I'm not 100% certain that, in a major regional conflagration, Israel would be absolutely alone - some Arab states hate and fear Iran and the Shias more than they hate and fear the Jews and Israel.

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