Topic: The Great Gun Control Debate

[RangerRay]

I'm not celebrating until it's given Royal Assent.

[GAP]

Well..........you could have a massive die-off in the Senate.........that would stymie it.

[Loachman]

I'm not celebrating until the entire Liberal Firearms Act has been repealed, idiotic "restricted" and "prohibited" categories have been nullified, the earlier PC ban on normal-capacity magazines has been lifted, and a formal apology has been made to all firearms owners for being stigmatized by previous governments.

The most offensive aspects of the legislation still remain.

[Jimmy_D]

Well Senate is a PC majority as well.

I'm not celebrating until the entire Liberal Firearms Act has been repealed, idiotic "restricted" and "prohibited" categories have been nullified, the earlier PC ban on normal-capacity magazines has been lifted, and a formal apology has been made to all firearms owners for being stigmatized by previous governments.

The most offensive aspects of the legislation still remain.

This would be quite nice as well, but no one other than the CF or those working with the CF need a full auto setting.

[RangerRay]

The most offensive aspects of the legislation still remain.

True, especially the draconian search and seizure provisions, and invasive licensing procedures.

[milnews.ca]

In case you're interested, here's the debate:
http://bit.ly/wGh3Ye
with the final vote (and who voted which way) attached.

[Robert0288]

Well Senate is a PC majority as well.

This would be quite nice as well, but no one other than the CF or those working with the CF need a full auto setting.

If I'm already certified to own and fire a firearm why can't I have a happy switch as well?  All it means is people will need to spend more money on ammo.

[Jimmy_D]

If I'm already certified to own and fire a firearm why can't I have a happy switch as well?  All it means is people will need to spend more money on ammo.

I can agree, I would love to have a full automatic rifle, just for shits and giggles; but without proper training a lot of people can become overwhelmed with the "happy switch" and higher chances of wrong doing will be the probable outcome.

[Loachman]

Well Senate is a PC majority as well.

No, it's not. There is a Conservative majority. "Progressive" is not part of the Conservative Party's name.

This would be quite nice as well, but no one other than the CF or those working with the CF need a full auto setting.

Nobody needs a car capable of exceeding the highest speed limits in Canada by a factor of over two, a motorboat, golf clubs, backyard swimming pool, sixty-inch television, or anything else beyond oxygen, water, warmth, basic shelter, and simple food either.

"Need" has nothing to do with the acquisition of property in a free society.

The only justification necessary is "because I want it".

There is absolutely no reason why law-abiding citizens should be prevented from owning any firearm that they wish.

There are approximately 4400 automatic or selective-fire firearms in private hands in Canada. They are actually restricted, rather than prohibited/grandfathered (so there are some fully-functional restricted FN C2s in private hands, yet all semi-automatic C1s or foreign equivalents are prohibited). None have ever been used in a crime.

[ballz]

"The Senate hearings are expected to take several weeks before the bill is passed into law. Once that happens, RCMP officials will begin deleting information in a massive database that provides details to police on what types of firearms registered gun owners possess."

Expect in the next "several weeks" for the RCMP, or whatever idiot bureaucrat that has the power, to start making almost every rifle/shotgun out there a restricted weapon.

EDIT to add:

And 2 NDP members sided with the Conservatives.....I would love to be a fly on the wall when they are taken to task..........

Agreed. They deserve a pat on the back though. I find it funny that in 2010 the NDP under Jack Layton would not whip the vote (well... behind closed doors they probably did) even though there was actually a possibility it would pass, but this time it was whipped even though it was pretty much guaranteed to pass.

I guess the NDP knows who their daddy is.

[Jimmy_D]

With that, again I agree. Also I understand the want with automatic weapons. I am not saying keep restricted/prohibited laws. I am saying that there should be steps that have to be taking (IE: training) to own/use those firearms just as the CF does with each weapon class. I have my PAL both restricted and non-restricted, and I would love for them to remove the classification of restricted/prohibited, but there should be a generic long gun course, generic hand gun course, and generic automatic course in order to obtain such weapons.

[ballz]

but there should be a generic long gun course, generic hand gun course, and generic automatic course in order to obtain such weapons.

But the safety aspects are identical? Look at the C7, the drills don't change just because it's on automatic?

Also, the PAL-Restricted course is literally the exact same as the PAL with one extra chapter added in, and you do the handling test with pistol instead of a rifle. You still "PROVE" it safe and all that jazz.

[Loachman]

without proper training a lot of people can become overwhelmed with the "happy switch" and higher chances of wrong doing will be the probable outcome.

History indicates that the odds are negligible.

We trust people with cars, which are far more complex to operate safely, and result in far more deaths and injuries. People will happily stand by the side of the road while complete strangers, who could be distracted, half-blind, drunk, incompetent, suicidal, or driving vehicles that have seen no maintenance since they left the factory, and not think one whit about the potential hazard yet completely freak at the sight of a firearm or the thought that their neighbour might own one.

It costs less than ten dollars per year for five million dollars worth of liability insurance for all legal firearms-related activities, yet insurance companies (professional risk-assessors) still make healthy profits. How much coverage can one get for one's car for ten bucks...?

[Thucydides]

Instapundit 17 Feb 2012:

http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/

DON’T BE RIDICULOUS — IT’S ENTIRELY APPROPRIATE TO CELEBRATE A HUMAN-RIGHTS VICTORY OF THIS MAGNITUDE: Quebec outrage as Tories celebrate long-gun registry vote with cocktail party. “The bill passed easily, by a margin of 159 to 130, as the Conservatives used their majority in the House secure passage of the bill, which now goes to the Senate where the Conservatives also have a majority.. . . But supporters of the long-gun registry, many of whom are from Quebec, said they were appalled by the festive attitude of the Conservatives, who attended a cocktail reception with pro-gun lobbyists on Parliament Hill to mark the historic change.”

Usually politicians celebrate reducing people’s freedom. This is a pleasant change.

[Colin P]

The only full auto's I want are in .22cal 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBbjt3OZydg

or this in full auto
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1yr81u8FXw

[Brad Sallows]

>This would be quite nice as well, but no one other than the CF or those working with the CF need a full auto setting.

No one "needs" to go bareback down at the bathhouse, either, but for some reason that particular recreation is "out of bounds" to legislators and people concerned with public health.

[HollywoodCowboy]

History indicates that the odds are negligible.

We trust people with cars, which are far more complex to operate safely, and result in far more deaths and injuries. People will happily stand by the side of the road while complete strangers, who could be distracted, half-blind, drunk, incompetent, suicidal, or driving vehicles that have seen no maintenance since they left the factory, and not think one whit about the potential hazard yet completely freak at the sight of a firearm or the thought that their neighbour might own one.

It costs less than ten dollars per year for five million dollars worth of liability insurance for all legal firearms-related activities, yet insurance companies (professional risk-assessors) still make healthy profits. How much coverage can one get for one's car for ten bucks...?

Don't forget alcohol, how many lives has that liquid destroyed, as long as the government gets it's money from it, who cares.

[OTBthinker]

I came across this today and thought it was somewhat interesting concerning the topic at hand:

http://votecompass.ca/results/federal/gun-registry/

It seems that those who agree that the long gun registry should be scrapped are old, uneducated, non-immigrant English men who support the Conservative Party.

It seems everyone else who took part in the Vote Compass is against the idea.

It's also evident that this issue is very a rural versus urban issue.

[Scott]

I came across this today and thought it was somewhat interesting concerning the topic at hand:

http://votecompass.ca/results/federal/gun-registry/

It seems that those who agree that the long gun registry should be scrapped are old, uneducated, non-immigrant English men who support the Conservative Party.

It seems everyone else who took part in the Vote Compass is against the idea.

It's also evident that this issue is very a rural versus urban issue.

 

Is this the same vote compass that everyone at the CBC was so proud of?

[Colin P]

I came across this today and thought it was somewhat interesting concerning the topic at hand:

http://votecompass.ca/results/federal/gun-registry/

It seems that those who agree that the long gun registry should be scrapped are old, uneducated, non-immigrant English men who support the Conservative Party.

It seems everyone else who took part in the Vote Compass is against the idea.

It's also evident that this issue is very a rural versus urban issue.

The rural vs urban is really a myth. First of all you have to define Urban and urban is not defined here as what most people assume it is. Plus the growth areas in gun ownership is distinct in being urban and it's the urbanites who are more likely to buy "black guns" and cool stuff. In fact here in Vancouver it's nothing for a rich immigrant to drop $5,000 on their first gun and gear. Which is way all the stores have Mandarin speaking staff and business is humming. The "old white guy" image is also a myth, those guys are dying off and most of the shooters I see are younger, mixed gender and more ethnic.

[bananaman]

I'm guessing most of these young, "educated", city folk are the same that shouted "ride the orange wave!" on election day. Which was completely against what every economist said was good for the country at the time. I'm guessing they are the same type in the "Occupy" movement that can't create a common standing or a solution to their own problem. I'm sorry that the gov't doesn't hand every snot nosed kid a full tuition and that the job market has competition. I thought it was just a fact of life that you had to work hard to get ahead. I guess the youth of today think otherwise.

http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/media/nr/2007/nr20071116-2-eng.aspx

Maybe if they did a little research instead of constant complaining these kids could see that it was a total waste.

[Larry Strong]

Shared with the usual cavets:

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2012/02/20120224-095016.html

Dad arrested over daughter's gun drawing

Police arrested a Kitchener, Ont., father outside his daughter's school because the four-year-old drew a picture of him holding a gun.
 
Jessie Sansone told the Record newspaper that he was in shock when he was arrested Wednesday and taken to a police station for questioning over the drawing. He was also strip-searched.
 
"This is completely insane. My daughter drew a gun on a piece of paper at school," he said.
 
Officials told the newspaper the move was necessary to ensure there were no guns accessible by children in the family's home. They also said comments by Sansone's daughter, Neaveh, that the man holding the gun in the picture was her dad and "he uses it to shoot bad guys and monsters," was concerning.
 
Police also searched Sansone's home while he was in custody. His wife and three children were taken to the police station, and the children were interviewed by Family and Children's Services.
 
Sansone's wife, Stephanie Squires, told the newspaper no one told them why her husband had been arrested.
 
"He had absolutely no idea what this was even about. I just kept telling them, 'You're making a mistake.'"
Several hours later, Sansone was released without charges.

[Technoviking]

Then why weren't my parents tossed in jail for me drawing pictures of buildings on fire?  (I was one  of the fire fighters coming to the rescue in the corner of the drawings).  (and yes, I did the drawings just last week )

Why am I not in jail because my kids draw pictures of tanks and jets and stuff?

This, is absolutely ridiculous....

[Bruce Monkhouse]

I'm thinking there is a LOT more to this story,.............just sayin'........

[ballz]

I'm thinking there is a LOT more to this story,.............just sayin'........

If there was more to it, then why didn't they find anything when they turned his house upside down and had Family and Children Services "interviewing" his children?