Topic: highland regiment in the reg forces?

[Britney Spears]

You do realize you're quoting a holy book of the Sikhs, linked to a site titled "Providing resources for the sikh youth"  don't you?

In any case, I've done some searching on my own and have been satisfactorily enlightened, so no worries either way.

Answer: Shi'ite ayatollas wear a black turban to indicate descent from the Prophet, and there was a point when the Taliban made white and black turbans mandatory for school boys. Unlike the Sikhs, Muslims wear turbans purely for utilitarian reasons. Hence they are rarely worn by  Muslims outside the middle east, or even in developed urban centers in the middle east.

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turban

 

[Infanteer]

Well then, in that case I apologize, and defer to your experience in this matter...

Priceless....

Hutch, you'd best quit while you're behind - better head back to the Cadet Forums.

[48Highlander]

Hey, I'll be the first to admit that I'm not all that spiritualy enlightened.   I couldn't tell you the difference between a Sikh and a Muslim without first researching it, and I don't particularily have any interest in the field.   I also have no idea what the differences between Prodestants and Catholics are, other than that they seem to think there's big ones, and spent a couple decades killing eachother over them.   I know that the Turban is a religious symbol for A religion; as to which one(s), or the exact where-why-how of it, I have no clue.   So I apologize if I got the religion wrong, but I think the idea I was attempting to communicate was fairly clear anyway.

[Britney Spears]

Hey, I'll be the first to admit that I'm not all that spiritualy enlightened.  I couldn't tell you the difference between a Sikh and a Muslim without first researching it, and I don't particularily have any interest in the field.  I also have no idea what the differences between Prodestants and Catholics are, other than that they seem to think there's big ones, and spent a couple decades killing eachother over them.  I know that the Turban is a religious symbol for A religion; as to which one(s), or the exact where-why-how of it, I have no clue.  So I apologize if I got the religion wrong, but I think the idea I was attempting to communicate was fairly clear anyway.

There HAS to be a punchline involving SHARP training in there somewhere.....

[Britney Spears]

I don't mean to pick on 48Highlander, but there was a wave of anti-sikh violence in the US immedietly after Sept. 11th with a number of deaths, due to the fact that Sikh men wore turbans and long beards. Muslim men in North America do not wear turbans and generally only keep short, trimmed beards, neither of which have much to do with the Islamic faith itself. A minor point in this context, perhaps, but not knowing the difference between the two comes of as a little ignorant in this day and age.

Maybe this should be moved to the Equipment forum..... 

[48Highlander]

I don't mean to pick on 48Highlander, but there was a wave of anti-sikh violence in the US immedietly after Sept. 11th with a number of deaths, due to the fact that Sikh men wore turbans and long beards. Muslim men in North America do not wear turbans and generally only keep short, trimmed beards, neither of which have much to do with the Islamic faith itself. A minor point in this context, perhaps, but not knowing the difference between the two comes of as a little ignorant in this day and age.

Maybe this should be moved to the Equipment forum.....  

Most people don't know the difference between a computer worm and a computer virus, which seems a little ignorant to me.
Most civvies have no idea what the difference between a rifle and a machinegun is, which may seem ignorant to many military types.

Religion doesn't interest me.  I respect peoples right to practice their religion as they see fit, and beleive what they want to beleive, and that's all that should matter.  I was aware that most muslims don't wear turbans, since I know that the majority of Iraqi's for instance do not wear them, however, I still associated the turban with Muslims instead of Sikhs.  Although now that you've taken the time to get all ana.....to "correct" me, I won't be making the same mistake again.

Now, what does this wave of anti-Sikh violence have to do with anything?  Would you have been happier if it had been a wave of anti-Muslim violence?  It's "ignorant" to attack people of ANY religious or racial group based on the actions of a few individuals; the fact that these morons were also attacking the wrong group seems trivial in comparison.

[Britney Spears]

Now, what does this wave of anti-Sikh violence have to do with anything?

Because you're making the same mistake they are? (that is,you got muslims and sikhs mixed up, not that you murder people over their headdress)

Hey I'm a liberal I care about these things.....

[-Hutch-]

Eh, come again?  Since when is a kilt considered a religious item? 

i never said that the kilt was a religious item. i said the turban was, and than i said that if there were a Muslim regiment than the Scottish people that are not Muslim would not be allowed to were a kilt if they wanted to. but if a Muslim wants to were a turban in a Scottish regiment they are allowed. my kilt means the same to me as a turban turban to a Muslim. i am not saying there is anything wrong with the turban in the military and i am not saying that they are the same thing. one is a religious item and one in a cultural item.

Stop while your ahead. Please.

Some quick points. I do not believe that the Algonquin Regt was designed with native personell in mind, it was named that simply because of the location in which it was formed/is based.

About the Chinese, I challenge you to say that 'did not play a role in defending Canada' junk to any of the Chinese Canadians who enlisted in the army during WW2. Service to your country is a very strong sentiment amongst the oriental group, very strong.

Your throwing out silly generalisations. yes it would be nice for a reg force highland unit. But disbanding the senior reg force regt would be bad, very bad for moral amongst said troops. If you want to work full time with a highland unit, join the reserves and work Class B. 

Your posts are moving farther away from proving your point and closer to offending anyone on this board who is Chinese, Sikh, not Scottish and anyone in the RCR. Bye bye.

i am not trying to offend anyone. i meant they were not part of the defence back in the early 1800's. if they were please correct me. 

i wouldn't want o see a reg force regiment disbanded. it was just i wanted to see a highland reg force regiment. it will probably never happen so no need to carry it on.

but back to the whole point of this forum. what is the class b? does that allow you to be in a highland regiment and work as a reg force soldier?  that is all i ever wanted to know from the forum.

[48Highlander]

i am not trying to offend anyone. i meant they were not part of the defence back in the early 1800's. if they were please correct me.

Well, since Canada didn't exist untill 1867, NOBODY was "part of the defence back in the early 1800's".  Since the only "war" back then was the war of 1812, you should know that it was fought almost entirely by British army units, defending British property.   That property didn't become Canada for another 55 years.

but back to the whole point of this forum. what is the class b? does that allow you to be in a highland regiment and work as a reg force soldier?   that is all i ever wanted to know from the forum.

Class B is a "full time contract".  As a reservist doing summer training you'd be class b.  If you could convince your unit to give you a job at the armories as a clerk or working in the QM, you'd be class B.  But there's always more reserve class a/b bums looking for contracts than there are positions, so don't count on getting the job.  If you know you want to be a full time soldier, go regs.

By the way, I'm kinda curious here, if you have such a hard-on for wearing a kilt and being in a Scottish unit, why are you a zipperhead cadet?

[Infanteer]

Well, since Canada didn't exist untill 1867, NOBODY was "part of the defence back in the early 1800's".   Since the only "war" back then was the war of 1812, you should know that it was fought almost entirely by British army units, defending British property.   That property didn't become Canada for another 55 years.

As well, Natives were an integral part of all of these Colonial Wars (including 1812), so I guess that counts them in.

[-Hutch-]

By the way, I'm kinda curious here, if you have such a hard-on for wearing a kilt and being in a Scottish unit, why are you a zipperhead cadet?

zipper head cadet? if you mean why didn't i join a Scottish cadet corp. it is because i didn't live anywere near one.

Well, since Canada didn't exist until 1867, NOBODY was "part of the defence back in the early 1800's".  Since the only "war" back then was the war of 1812, you should know that it was fought almost entirely by British army units, defending British property.   That property didn't become Canada for another 55 years.

well not defending canada but defending this land. but arnt you forgeting about the fFenian raids near the american civil war?

there also does not need to be a war for there to be a need for defence.

[48Highlander]

I'm guessing you're in North York with C-Coy eh?  And you couldn't take the bus/subway to downtown toronto in order to join a Scottish unit?  Guess that shows how important it must be to you.

[TCBF]

So, Hutch, proud oatmeal savage that you are, you started this five pages of digital landfill, and you don't even wear a kilt? 

[-Hutch-]

I'm guessing you're in North York with C-Coy eh?  And you couldn't take the bus/subway to downtown toronto in order to join a Scottish unit?  Guess that shows how important it must be to you.

well when  i first joined cadets i had just moved to the city and i was a shy kid. i didn't know that there were different regiments and i really didn't know how to follow the ttc routes. if i had of known a little bit more about the military when i started cadets i would of joined a Scottish corp.

yes i am the SSM of  C- squadron in north york, how did you know? i have also moved around like 4 times since i lived in the city and all those times were close to the school i go to cadets at.

So, Hutch, proud oatmeal savage that you are, you started this five pages of digital landfill, and you don't even wear a kilt? 

oh i do were a kilt. just not on a regular parade night in uniform. i have a kilt of my own that i wear. my last annual inspection i wore my kilt on parade. it was the only time i was allowed.

i started what turned into five pagers of digital landfill only to find out if there was a possible way that if i were to join the reg force i could be attached to a highland regiment. it just got off topic.

[TCBF]

"if i were to join the reg force i could be attached to a highland regiment.

- Well, I guess it's no, sadly, not since the RHC regular was disbanded at Camp Gagetown in the Summer of 1970.

 "it just got off topic."

- Well, that's not your fault.  We all get a share in that one.

What Tartan?

[-Hutch-]

"if i were to join the reg force i could be attached to a highland regiment.

- Well, I guess it's no, sadly, not since the RHC regular was disbanded at Camp Gagetown in the Summer of 1970.

 "it just got off topic."

- Well, that's not your fault.  We all get a share in that one.

What Tartan?

it is my family tartan  the MacDonald of the Isles

it is nice my dad got it when he was in Scotland like 20 years ago. i want to get a new one the one i have is starting to fall apart. also i am out growing it.

[48Highlander]

well when   i first joined cadets i had just moved to the city and i was a shy kid. i didn't know that there were different regiments and i really didn't know how to follow the ttc routes. if i had of known a little bit more about the military when i started cadets i would of joined a Scottish corp.

yes i am the SSM of   C- squadron in north york, how did you know? i have also moved around like 4 times since i lived in the city and all those times were close to the school i go to cadets at.

    I know a lot of QYRangs (reservists), and I'm familiar with the organization of your cadet corps.  I figured if you were in A or B you could have just as easily gone to the 48th or TorScot cadets.  That only left C-coy.

oh i do were a kilt. just not on a regular parade night in uniform. i have a kilt of my own that i wear. my last annual inspection i wore my kilt on parade. it was the only time i was allowed.

i started what turned into five pagers of digital landfill only to find out if there was a possible way that if i were to join the reg force i could be attached to a highland regiment. it just got off topic.

Next time just try not to suggest standing down the RCR    I'm a member of a highland unit, and while I love my kilt, and the traditions that go with the unit, even I'd never suggest standing down any of our reg force regiments just so we could form a highland one.  I also wouldn't be in favour of creating new scottish units; there's really no point.  The scottish militia units we have now have proud and colourful backgrounds and traditions, and they add a unique and interesting element to the CF.  If one of them were to be stood up as a regforce unit, I wouldn't have a problem with it, but I don't see any point in creating new ones.  We're all primarily Canadian, and our military should reflect that.

[DSB]

Because you're making the same mistake they are? (that is,you got Muslims and Sikhs mixed up, not that you murder people over their headdress)

Hey I'm a liberal I care about these things.....

Sorry for the tangent.

After 9 11 a Sikh was shot and killed because someone thought he was a Muslim.  There have been many many cases of violence and arson against Sikhs in the States and Canada since 9 11.  If it was done against Muslims that would be terrible.  It sucks even more when you really are not part of that religion or even from countries in the 'axis of evil family'.  I travelled a lot through the states and I get raped at the borders and airports. 

So is life.  Theres a big push by Sikhs to educate people on the religion.  Not to distance ourselves from Muslims, (the whole idea of burn them out and not us is not the intent).  Education can only benefit.  Some number to mull over;

Judaism  about 0.2% of the world
Islam about 21% of the  world, ( hard to be ignorant about such a large percent)
Sikhs in the world  22.5 million.  In Canada there are almost as many Sikhs as Jewish people  (0.9 to 1.1 percent according to the 2001 census)

Cherries
DSB

[Kernewek]

I would just like to say that during the war of 1812 the majority of the defending forces were raised in Canada (has anyone heard of the Army of Lower Canada besides me? (they actually weren't a particularly large force (6 000 strong) but when you consider how many other soldiers were in Canada up until the fall of Napoleon). Plus once you consider fencibles and militia, and the Canadian Regulars (104th New Brunswick Regiment), and Natives...

Now onto the actual topic:
The first locally raised Highlanders I have heard of and going to war were the Scottish settlers of Glengarry County, Upper Canada, who supported the British advance from the south during the 1838 rebellion. They crossed the Ottawa and crushed (if not intimidated more), the few rebels they encountered. To my knowledge, they suffered no casualties, but they destroyed a large number of homes and crops. In addition to them, there were also the Royal Highland Emigrants, who fought in the American Revolution, and were largely recruited in Halifax and St. Johns. Being an actual military formation (officially), I should consider them a more prevalent unit; however, as the name implies, most of the troops were not born on what is now  soil.
I should think there would have been highlanders from Nova Scotia at the same time, if not earlier (of the 1830's, I mean). 

[Danjanou]

Amusing as this "digital land fill" has become and to an extent informative. I think it's about run its course here. Anyone object if we shut it down and lock it.  Conversations on Scottish and other ethnic regiments contributions to the defence of Canada/BNA can be continued on existing threads over in Military History and/or new threads. 

Oh Hutch try Richardson's on Yong St (north of Lawrence) for a new kilt. he did mine up and I found prices reasonable and workmanship excellent.

[-Hutch-]

Oh Hutch try Richardson's on Yong St (north of Lawrence) for a new kilt. he did mine up and I found prices reasonable and workmanship excellent.

OK i will. how much would you sat is reasonable?  and how long does it take for them to make one? also i don't want to throw my other one out. do they do repairs?

[Danjanou]

Ok then, no objections thread locked and Hutch PM enroute.