Topic: First Aid / CPR

[medicineman]

I remember many moons ago doing my lifeguard training and when we were doing the choking stuff, you still had to landmark just off the navel and we were told that (at that time in fashion history) that ladies jeans were higher cut than men's, so just do a quick check with your finger uner the blet line to make sure you're in the right spot.  I had a female partner, quite nice on the eyes, who only heard  " put your hands under the belt line to look for the right spot", so shoved her hands right down my pants...

To be 16 again  .

MM

[camouflage]

Im having a hard time picturing this. If your giving back blows Im assuming the pt is still on their feet(even is they weren't)...how do switch back and forth between with chest compressions and back blows?

I'm thinking back blows is only for infant.

But I got curious too, is 5 backblows and 5 chest thrusts applicable for adults?

[kratz]

kratz can you send me a link to the source msg?

CMP XX/12 is in draft at the moment and not released.
It is anticipated that it will be released in early Jan 2012.

Just like the last CMP simply introduced the requirment to instruct infant CPR, units were responsible
to purchase their own. The same intent will be in place for the AED-Trainers and appropriate AED manikins.

[kratz]

The 5 back blows, followed by 5 abdominal thrusts
are one of the many 2011 protocol changes from the current 2006 protocols.

Those back blows, follwed by abdominal thrusts are for conscious choking adult and children.
The skill will be demonstrated to you on course. (no tying of feet) 

There is no change to infant choking.

[cypres78]

The 5 back blows, followed by 5 abdominal thrusts
are one of the many 2011 protocol changes from the current 2006 protocols.

Those back blows, follwed by abdominal thrusts are for conscious choking adult and children.
The skill will be demonstrated to you on course. (no tying of feet) 

There is no change to infant choking.

Thrusts being the key word, not compressions as stated above 

[Brihard]

I'm on my first aid instructor course right now. We were told today that the new protocols are expected to hit CF wide all at once, probably about September 2012. My source for this is an FAI trainer at CFSU(O) training cell.  I did a St John emergency first aid course recently for something else, and the new protocols had already been moved to.

[kratz]

The authority to instruct the 2011 protocols is already out.
The hold up is the ability to instruct those new protocols when the proper materials are not in the system yet.
Until then the current (read old) protocols will be instructed.

Once the books/DVDs ect... are available through Base Pubs / DND Special Centre
then the expectation for all FAI to be instructing the new protocols will be ensured by base / unit FAITs.

We were informed the best case timeline is currently Feb 2012 for the new materials.
The worst case timeline is looking out at June 2012.

[medicineman]

Luckily the next research won't be published until about 2015/16...where they'll go back to the 2005 guidelines, or maybe even earlier (like pre-1986).

MM