Topic: RCMP Info, discussion

[George Wallace]

I was in to see a RCMP Recruiter in 1976 while in university.  He recommended I not apply until the next year when I had a Degree.  This is quite a difference from what I am seeing/hearing now.

[Sierra Kilo]

I have a relative that applied to the RCMP just a few years after 76 with just a diploma and he's doing quite well for himself.  Clearly the pendulum keeps swinging to both ends of the spectrum.

I applied after I graduated and felt that the university degree was still "preferred" during the lengthy application process, if not still necessarily required.  Still, there's a lot that can be said for individual life experiences that may not necessarily involve a formal education. 

That said, I think that one of the biggest required skills (regardless of where it was learned) for the justice and legal systems is the ability to be flexible and open-minded to new ideas.  What worked legally a couple years ago may not necessarily work again, dependent on new case law setting precedence.

[mariomike]

George.
I dont know if you've ever spoken to a mountie whos taught at Depot but they will tell you that it is almost impossible to have someone removed from the program. And once in the field it can take years to fire someone (if you can).

2010
"Expelled RCMP cadet wins his old job back":
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/somethings-wrong-with-this-rights-case/article1374849/
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/expelled-rcmp-cadet-wins-his-old-job-back/article1646897/

"Last year, in a high-profile decision, the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal declared victory for the would-be Mountie. It ordered the RCMP to give him another shot and to pay him at least half a million dollars – an amount that was meant to cover several years of back pay, plus promotions."

[zipperhead_cop]

"Expelled RCMP cadet wins his old job back

Repugnant. 

I have no other words 

[canada94]

My dad graduated high school with a 65% average did nothing for a year then applied, got excepted and became a mountie; I don't think any standards have been dropped but escalated as my dad puts it "they (the RCMP heads of office) are to busy filling spots with scholars who in the end can't police". If I where to apply for the RCMP next year after I graduate I can almost 100% guarantee I would be turned away. My dad who is friends with the local detachment's recruiter tells us that they are gearing towards minorities and women. 

Mike

[PMedMoe]

Repugnant. 

I have no other words 

I completely agree.  So now we have a precedent set to enroll and keep less than competent people, based solely on their race.   

[George Wallace]

.......  So now we have a precedent set to enroll and keep less than competent people, based solely on their race.   

I think that precedence was set across all Departments of government back in the 1980's by the Liberal regime under Trudeau.

[Container]

My dad graduated high school with a 65% average did nothing for a year then applied, got excepted and became a mountie; I don't think any standards have been dropped but escalated as my dad puts it "they (the RCMP heads of office) are to busy filling spots with scholars who in the end can't police". If I where to apply for the RCMP next year after I graduate I can almost 100% guarantee I would be turned away. My dad who is friends with the local detachment's recruiter tells us that they are gearing towards minorities and women. 
Mike

Lets not go crazy. Depot recruit classes are still predominately white guys. Even with the new policy there are...other...stumbling blocks for these programs. Such as a lack of interest on other groups parts. Recruit classes will be really small or they will have to plug the classes up with us white guys they hate so much. If I had to guess- there will be a massive influx of francophone/ white police officers. They seem to be like an easy catch for the RCMP as well.

It hasn't been the way it was for your fathers recruitment in 25 five years.

And when your dad joined there were other requirements and depot was a different place. I have the recruiting pamphlets in my office from that time. Height, weight, chest size etc

They tried this targeted recruting years ago-it failed. That guy retired. We put a new officer in his place and he wants to try again. It will also fail.

But of course getting a cross section of different cultures realy matters when you are policing mosquito lake saskatchewan. It really matters what language you speak 

[mariomike]

If I where to apply for the RCMP next year after I graduate I can almost 100% guarantee I would be turned away. My dad who is friends with the local detachment's recruiter tells us that they are gearing towards minorities and women. 

The department I used to work for awarded five hiring points for legacy. That was written corporate policy back then. There are generations of families on the job. The police and fire departments are also multi-generational. It is apparent at every graduation parade. Perhaps the RCMP is similar? Times have changed, and legacy points are no longer ( officially ) awarded, but, even now, it can't hurt to have family inside any organization you are interested in joining put in a good word for you with the right people. Or, at least let it ( casually ) be known during the application / interview process that you have family on the job. "Why are you interested in joining us?" "I want to Serve and Protect, and my father always had good things to say about the force."
I think legacy was common practice in many organizations, and to a degree, still is.

This from Princeton University 1958:
“The Princeton son does not have to compete against non-Princeton sons,” the Alumni Council assured. “No matter how many other boys apply, the Princeton son is judged from an academic standpoint solely on this one question: Can he be expected to graduate? If so, he’s admitted. If not, he’s not admitted. It’s as simple as that.”

The story went on to say, "Legacies were accepted at twice the rate of non-legacies in the days of the pamphlet. But today ( 2010 ), legacies are accepted at roughly four times the rate of non-legacies."

And once in the field it can take years to fire someone (if you can).

September 17, 2010
"RCMP discipline process can drag on for years, documents show: OTTAWA - The longest wait, right now, is six years.":
http://www2.canada.com/nanaimodailynews/news/story.html?id=3542034

[zipperhead_cop]

My dad graduated high school with a 65% average did nothing for a year then applied, got excepted and became a mountie; I don't think any standards have been dropped but escalated as my dad puts it "they (the RCMP heads of office) are to busy filling spots with scholars who in the end can't police". If I where to apply for the RCMP next year after I graduate I can almost 100% guarantee I would be turned away. My dad who is friends with the local detachment's recruiter tells us that they are gearing towards minorities and women. 

Mike

I'm betting it would be your grammar not your skin colour that would get you shut down.  But by all means, quit before ever trying. 

[canada94]

I'm betting it would be your grammar not your skin colour that would get you shut down.  But by all means, quit before ever trying.

"Accepted" haha you caught me!

And I'm not quitting.. I'm simply waiting there is more chance in the forces then the RCMP as of now.

Mike

[mariomike]

Thu Jul 07 2011
"RCMP recruit training slashed as Ottawa grapples with budget squeeze":
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1021452--rcmp-recruit-training-slashed-as-ottawa-grapples-with-budget-squeeze

[canada94]

Thu Jul 07 2011
"RCMP recruit training slashed as Ottawa grapples with budget squeeze":
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1021452--rcmp-recruit-training-slashed-as-ottawa-grapples-with-budget-squeeze

Meanwhile we have a staff of 72, 000 (wiki could be wrong of course) obsolete postal workers.. but lets cut policing.

Stupid IMHO.

- Mike

[mariomike]

If interested, check out this RCMP recruiting brochure from "back in the day":
http://s1127.photobucket.com/albums/l621/Sleepless_In_E/?action=view&current=rcmp1969side1.jpg
http://s1127.photobucket.com/albums/l621/Sleepless_In_E/?action=view&current=rcmp1969side2.jpg

[canada94]

If interested, check out this RCMP recruiting brochure from "back in the day":
http://s1127.photobucket.com/albums/l621/Sleepless_In_E/?action=view&current=rcmp1969side1.jpg
http://s1127.photobucket.com/albums/l621/Sleepless_In_E/?action=view&current=rcmp1969side2.jpg

I will have to say that is pretty freaking cool!

Vintage!

[mariomike]

Meanwhile we have a staff of 72, 000 (wiki could be wrong of course) obsolete postal workers.. but lets cut policing.

Stupid IMHO.

- Mike

Police, and the emergency services, have enjoyed growth and job security. At, or near, the top of the civilian public sector, with the wages and benefits they deserve. 
But, as the public sector disappears, or their jobs are contracted out to privatized workers competing in the “race to the bottom,” they are riding high on a sinking ship.
Just my 

[canada94]

Police, and the emergency services, have enjoyed growth and job security. At, or near, the top of the civilian public sector, with the wages and benefits they deserve. 
But, as the public sector disappears, or their jobs are contracted out to privatized workers competing in the “race to the bottom,” they are riding high on a sinking ship.
Just my 

Saying the RCMP has enjoyed "growth" doesn't sit well with me, when resource managers have stated they are well below optimal service numbers. I just think cutting something as essential as law and order simply isn't the best idea. Especially when we have many outdated services that should be privatized.

- Mike

[mariomike]

Saying the RCMP has enjoyed "growth" doesn't sit well with me, when resource managers have stated they are well below optimal service numbers.

I said, "Police, and the emergency services, have enjoyed growth and job security."
By "have enjoyed", I was speaking in the past tense. Sorry if any offense or misunderstanding was caused. 

I was remembering the growth in recruiting and call volume I observed locally over the last ( almost ) four decades as a worker, and a pensioner. I would not be surprised if RCMP recruiting and call volume has grown at a similar rate during that period of time.
From the newspapers, I understand services have fallen on hard times recently. Call volume is up, and recruiting is down. There is even talk of layoffs for the first time.

I just think cutting something as essential as law and order simply isn't the best idea. Especially when we have many outdated services that should be privatized.

I hear you. I am retired, so contract negotiations no longer affect me. But, this is the local message to our firefighters from their association. Police ( regardless of employer ) may be in a similar situation:
"Our jobs are not likely to be privatized or face those types of pressure. But, as other areas of the public sector are privatized and the real wage for workers falls; as the middle class disappears even further, it will be more and more difficult to negotiate reasonable gains and maintain our position."

Highlight mine.

[canada94]

I said, "Police, and the emergency services, have enjoyed growth and job security."
By "have enjoyed", I was speaking in the past tense. Sorry if any offense or misunderstanding was caused. 

I was remembering the growth in recruiting and call volume I observed locally over the last ( almost ) four decades as a worker, and a pensioner. I would not be surprised if RCMP recruiting and call volume has grown at a similar rate during that period of time.
From the newspapers, I understand services have fallen on hard times recently. Call volume is up, and recruiting is down. There is even talk of layoffs for the first time.



I hear you. I am retired, so contract negotiations no longer affect me. But, this is the local message to our firefighters from their association. Police ( regardless of employer ) may be in a similar situation:
"Our jobs are not likely to be privatized or face those types of pressure. But, as other areas of the public sector are privatized and the real wage for workers falls; as the middle class disappears even further, it will be more and more difficult to negotiate reasonable gains and maintain our position."

Highlight mine.

You didn't offend me

I understand that everyone has to face cuts.. both my parents are mounties so it touches home.. ... I just would like the pocket books to be maintained equally and fairly among everyone.. 87% is a very very very very absurd cut to me..

- Mike

[SnakePlissken]

So has anyone heard any news about their applications or been accepted to the force? Been awhile since anyone last posted. Thought I'd try and revive the thread.

[mariomike]

So has anyone heard any news about their applications or been accepted to the force? Been awhile since anyone last posted. Thought I'd try and revive the thread.

This from July, 2011.
"OTTAWA—The RCMP has slashed its training of new recruits as it becomes the latest in a string of federal departments and agencies to cope with belt-tightening, the Star has learned.":
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1021452--rcmp-recruit-training-slashed-as-ottawa-grapples-with-budget-squeeze