Topic: Are we prepard for a terrorist attack or any other attack

[George Wallace]

Let's see:

Nuclear detonation takes down Twin Towers? 

727 never flew into Pentagon - it was a missle - but then what happened to the 727 and all its pax and crew?

Why are people on drugs allowed to host internet sites?

[Michael O'Leary]

Think I'm full of it?  Check this link and make up your own mind   www.reopen911.org

If I'm not supposed to believe the US Govt, why should I believe the completely opposite view of the conspiracy theorists? If the first doesn't measure up in your view, then how, exactly, does viewing and then blindly believing the issued statements of the latter constitute "making up my own mind"?

[copper_43]

Well George lets see:
1. Nobody claims a nuke was used?
2. How does a 60ton aircraft make a 16 ft hole and not leave its wings on the side of the building?
3. The drug comment is a way of saying your closed minded, did you even look at the videos on the link, I bet not.

Mr. O'Leary:
All information can be subjective, manipulated and re-spun, nobody denies that, however if you remember the events as you remember them, re-watch the videos, while reading the reports issued by the US Government, glaring points become evident.  Less than ethical reports were written and professional agencies were silenced or bypassed all together.
They say a picture is worth a thousand words, a video captured by a armature which shows exactly the opposite of what was reported can only leave you to ask why and compel you to look deeper, and I don't believe looking deeper while keeping an open mind is proceeding blindly.

[Pfc_Norup]

WTF?

2. How does a 60ton aircraft make a 16 ft hole and not leave its wings on the side of the building?

Try driving a glassfiber car into a solid concrete wall at 200m/h, and see how much damage the wall takes compared to you....

3. The drug comment is a way of saying your closed minded, did you even look at the videos on the link, I bet not

OMG! We are being attacked by evil aliens... Oh... nevermind... It's was just Independence Day... pyhhh! 

Just because it's on the internet doesn't make it real!

[George Wallace]

Well Mike

1. Statement on front page of your link states the fact that Twin Towers were taken down by nuclear detonation, or Did YOU not read that?

2. They burned up, being full of Aviation fuel.   Check out most airliner crash sites and see what remains of Aluminum/Magnesium alloys after a fire.

3. I have visited that and other sites and find them so full of holes as to be put forward by people either on drugs or suffering from some form of dementia.

This is a Lighthouse....Your Call!

[copper_43]

Interesting statement Norup, and correct, the damage to the concrete may not have to be extensive but the wreckage outside the hole of the vehicle would be.   Although this 60ton aircraft left nothing, not even a paint smear.

[Michael O'Leary]

Mr. O'Leary:
All information can be subjective, manipulated and re-spun, nobody denies that, however if you remember the events as you remember them, re-watch the videos, while reading the reports issued by the US Government, glaring points become evident.  Less than ethical reports were written and professional agencies were silenced or bypassed all together.
They say a picture is worth a thousand words, a video captured by a armature which shows exactly the opposite of what was reported can only leave you to ask why and compel you to look deeper, and I don't believe looking deeper while keeping an open mind is proceeding blindly.

Than may I assume that your personal opinons are based on your personal examination of all original evidence? Without any influence by others through their chosen presnetation of excerpts of vidoes, audio tapes or photos and the select isolated opinions of certain "experts" who may have prior records of attempting to define other events in terms of goverment conspiracies?

[Pfc_Norup]

Interesting statement Norup, and correct, the damage to the concrete may not have to be extensive but the wreckage outside the hole of the vehicle would be.   Although this 60ton aircraft left nothing, not even a paint smear

Check out most airliner crash sites and see what remains of Aluminum/Magnesium alloys after a fire

I saw a M113 burn up almost completely... Only the tracks was left....

Newsflash... Metal burns!

...after examining the evidence of 9-11 I have to call Bull on the Americans, I think this attack was carried out by Americans for a couple of reasons

That s**t has to be some of the most disrespecting BS I have ever heard!

[copper_43]

Of course you are correct to a point that all evidence left is suspect, as nothing is original anymore, what I find interesting is the avoidance of the government offices to answer simple questions, if attacked you would think things like the original video of an aircraft slamming into the Pentagon would be widely distributed, as opposed to being denied when the question came up as to how such a large jet could crash with such little damage or debris.

Norup is quite correct that an APC will burn like a torch, I believe that is largely due to the Aluminum content used to try and lighten the vehicle, however the Towers were mainly Steel and the jet fuel George refers to was mainly out within the first 10 min, the fires didn't even spread across the entire level of tower 2.

George, I still can't find the mention of Nukes you say are there, oh yeah and my name isn't mike.  And by all means I always willing to listen to other views, so lets here some of the holes you found on these sites. really.

[Pfc_Norup]

Norup is quite correct that an APC will burn like a torch, I believe that is largely due to the Aluminum content used to try and lighten the vehicle, however the Towers were mainly Steel and the jet fuel George refers to was mainly out within the first 10 min, the fires didn't even spread across the entire level of tower 2

Well, the Towers didn't burn did they? The steel melted, right? Causing the building to collapse, right? So, what's your point???

[George Wallace]

Quickly I'll point out that I am talking about the plane that crashed into the Pentagon, not the Twin Towers.   As for the Nuke, I will point out that it is a bold title to a link in the right hand ccolumn of that webpage under the pictures.   

[George Wallace]

Here's your link from that webpage:

http://www.reopen911.org/undergroundnuke.htm

Further down they even have a conspiracy theory that Hunter Thompson was murdered because of what he wrote. 

The whole site is one big conspiracy theory.

[copper_43]

Ok, got it, the Nuke headline you refer to was a e-mail to the editor of that site stating radioactive debris was detected at the WTC site, however the editor goes on to say he can not confirm this data which this person writes about.

Norup, there was a fire within the towers, the building was actually designed with much more massive fires in mind, the heat produced by the jet fuel in the short term it burnt would not be enough to melt the massive steel structure.   Most of the flames after the initial 10min burn was paper, office equipment and building supplies which is no where hot enough to make steel fail within an hour.

[George Wallace]

Norup, there was a fire within the towers, the building was actually designed with much more massive fires in mind, the heat produced by the jet fuel in the short term it burnt would not be enough to melt the massive steel structure.    Most of the flames after the initial 10min burn was paper, office equipment and building supplies which is no where hot enough to make steel fail within an hour.

Are you an Architect or a Structural Engineer or a Civil Engineer or something?  Seems to me that they interviewed the Architects and numerous Engineers who counter your theory.

[Pfc_Norup]

Apart from all the charges set through the building, of which the evidence is overwhelming, the evidence is also crystal clear for those who know what they are looking at that the buildings were ultimately brought down by nuclear explosions

Holy X-File... This looks like a job for Mulder!!!

( Somebody needs to check their trailer for propane leaks )

Norup, there was a fire within the towers, the building was actually designed with much more massive fires in mind, the heat produced by the jet fuel in the short term it burnt would not be enough to melt the massive steel structure.   Most of the flames after the initial 10min burn was paper, office equipment and building supplies which is no where hot enough to make steel fail within an hour.

Well... I think a saw something about old "fireprotective foam" ( most of it blown away doing impact ) and I'm pretty sure that a 747 hitting a building will do some damage to it.... And a Jet-fuel fire IS capable of making steel melt... And in this case you also have the entire weight of the building resting on the impact-zone...

Why is it SO impossible to believe Muslim Terrorist crashed planes into the towers?

[copper_43]

Again all information can be hi-jacked, but when a government being questioned on the simplest aspects runs for cover and does nothing but block all attempts to gain information, one has to say, wait a minute why is the victim hidding evidence.
Also because a web site doesn't follow the norm of society, why should we be so quick to label it and dismiss anything written there, are we afraid they could be right.   We would be a fool to take one opinion, be it off of the web or total trust in a government which moves from one scandal to another, we as westerners have learned that scandals and politics go hand in hand.   Thats why when something doesn't seem to add up we have to ask the questions Why, look at different sources of info and keep open minds.

Opions vary, if you got one, at least make sure you base it on your thoughts and not societies prejudices.

[George Wallace]

May I address you to this thread:

Stories of CF soldier in Afghanistan

http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,18269.msg259305.html#msg259305

In particular this statement:

This is a serious matter.  The US Army just published this in response to Milbloggers and OPSEC:

"THE ENEMY AGGRESSIVELY "READS" OUR OPEN SOURCE AND CONTINUES TO EXPLOIT SUCH INFORMATION FOR USE AGAINST OUR FORCES. SOME SOLDIERS CONTINUE TO POST SENSITIVE INFORMATION TO INTERNET WEBSITES AND BLOGS, E.G., PHOTOS DEPICTING WEAPON SYSTEM VULNERABILITIES AND TACTICS, TECHNIQUES, AND PROCEDURES. SUCH OPSEC VIOLATIONS NEEDLESSLY PLACE LIVES AT RISK AND DEGRADE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF OUR OPERATIONS.

PETER J. SCHOOMAKER, GEN, CSA

THE ENEMY IS ACTIVELY SEARCHING THE UNCLASSIFIED NETWORKS
FOR INFORMATION, ESPECIALLY SENSITIVE PHOTOS, IN ORDER TO OBTAIN
TARGETING DATA, WEAPONS SYSTEM VULNERABILITIES, AND TTPs FOR USE
AGAINST THE COALITION. A MORE AGGRESSIVE ATTITUDE TOWARD PROTECTING
FRIENDLY INFORMATION IS VITAL TO MISSION SUCCESS. THE ENEMY IS A PRO
AT EXPLOITING OUR OPSEC VULNERABILITIES.

REMIND ALL PERSONNEL THAT THE ENEMY WILL EXPLOIT
SENSITIVE PHOTOS SHOWING THE RESULTS OF IED STRIKES, BATTLE SCENES,
CASUALTIES, DESTROYED OR DAMAGED EQUIPMENT, AND ENEMY KIAs AS
PROPAGANDA AND TERRORIST TRAINING TOOLS. FOR EXAMPLE, ANNOTATED
PHOTOS OF AN ABRAMS TANK PENETRATED BY AN RPG ARE EASILY FOUND ON THE INTERNET. CAPTURED INSURGENT PAMPHLETS CONTAIN HAND DRAWINGS AND INSTRUCTIONS ON WHAT INSURGENTS BELIEVE ARE VULNERABLE PENETRATION POINTS ON TANKS, HMMWVS, BRADLEY FIGHTING VEHICLES, AND HELICOPTERS.
RELEASING PHOTOS OUTSIDE OFFICIAL, PROTECTED CHANNELS MAY ALLOW THE
ENEMY MATERIAL FOR HIS INFORMATION OPERATIONS AND TARGETING TTP
AGAINST FRIENDLY FORCES. INSURGENTS ALSO USE WEBSITES TO COMMUNICATE, TRAIN, AND RECRUIT FOLLOWERS, OFTEN USING PHOTOS/VIDEO OF THEIR BATTLEFIELD SUCCESSES. WE CANNOT AFFORD TO HAVE OUR PHOTOS BECOME TRAINING AND RECRUITMENT TOOLS FOR THE ENEMY.

RICHARD A. CODY, GEN, VCSA"

Another link may be on a blog site:

http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/004531.html

or try this very reputable site:

http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/2005/08/usa0805.html
 
 
 

[Kat Stevens]

So, the trade centre was nuked. Nobody detected an EM pulse, shockwave, radiation cloud, or any of that other stuff one normally associates with nukes? Oh, I know, MIB's flashy-thing technology has advanced to the point where an entire city can be zapped.  Scary stuff, man, I start putting foil on the windows in the morning.

[NavComm]

This one time at band camp....I saw the movie "wag the tail" or whatever it's called

[Pfc_Norup]

I'm gonna need a little help with this one:

Apart from all the charges set through the building, of which the evidence is overwhelming

So some planted charges in the building?

Then they crashed the UFO from Roswell into the first tower?

The they backed the UFO out of the Tower in cloak-mode and crashed into the second tower?

And then they detonated all the charges ( the charges nobody had seen, eventhough they were planted all over the towers ) and the towers almost collapsed?

And just to be completely sure the detonate a nuclear device under Manhattan, which only makes the allready damaged towers to collaps

3. Pyroclastic flow of the building and its total pulverisation from top to bottom - classic of an underground nuclear explosion. Shock wave travelled up the building, reflected off the top and pulverised it back down

And then the UFO fires a missile at the Pentagon and  finally crashes with a jet right outside Camp David?

Seriously, I know that there's some retarded people out there, but this is... umm.... the most f***ed up BS I have ever heard! Ghees!!!

[Redeye]

This is getting ridiculous.   Discovery Channel ran a great show a while back about how the planes brought down the Twin Towers.   Try to track it down.   Locked... assuming the three replies I didn't didn't already do that.