Topic: 20 meter Beep Test -Merged

[westie048]

 I have heard there is no more beep test it is just the BFT now instead, but if you fail the BFT then you must do the beep test. So it is still around, but not in the traditional sense of everyone having to do it.






 

[EX_RCAC_011]

I've tried a lot of things, and many have not worked.  Put up another link to whatever source you think will provide a reliable archive for this thing and I will try to get it there.  Failing that "tawk amongst yeh selves"
Bonne Chance

Zipperheadcop's version is correct and fit on my IPOD as anyother song.I got a 30 gig IPOD(I think),it doesnt take up that much room.

[geo]

I have heard there is no more beep test it is just the BFT now instead, but if you fail the BFT then you must do the beep test. So it is still around, but not in the traditional sense of everyone having to do it.
 

13 Km ruck march, + carry + trench dig are now the standard
fail once, you do it a 2nd time
fail twice, you go see the doc for his okiedokie ..... and then it is back to the Gym for 20 M shuttle run express test...

BUT,... once you pass the shuttle run.... will they make you do the 13 Km again?

[BinRat55]

13 Km ruck march, + carry + trench dig are now the standard

And just what standard is that?  You should really Include all information when answering questions.  The LFAA/LFCA/LFWA "ARMY" standard is a BFT, which is exactly what you described.  1CAD (Air Force Wings) mostly rely on the CF Express test as the standard.  I just completed mine last month.  When it comes right down to it, the universality of service is the "standard", it's just that different commands have a different way of achieving that standard.  I have spent 14 years on Army bases, and i've done both BFT and 20 MSR.  I've spent 3 years on an Air Force Wing, and i've only ever done the 20 MSR.  We are not even equipped to do the BFT.  Sorry for rambling there - fitness testing is a sore spot with me at the moment!!

[EX_RCAC_011]

Woah,
You understood what 13km+carry+trench dig=BFT,so does everyone else.It's usually the first abbreviation soldiers learn in the recruiting center when their course is outline for them.Geo spelled it out what the standard was.
Ease up.Why is fitness a sore spot with you?As you didn't add all the information.

[geo]

RCAC easy....
BR55 did bring up a valid point... that the 13K++ is the basic fitness test that the army has chosen to apply to all personnel working within`"green" places - regardless of the colour of your uniform BUT, the AIR and SEA branches have not necessarily chosen to follow suit AND, green personnel will have to follow their lead.

[BinRat55]

You are exactly right Geo.  I never meant to come across so abrupt (my "tone" in most of my emails at work seems to be a liiiiitle problem, but i'm working on it...) but Geo nailed my point correctly.  When I hear the word "standard" it means to me that everyone across the board must be able to meet this level.  There are some in my trade (we are purple) who have never actually seen a BFT let alone completed one.  I have a guy with me now who has 19 years in the service and this year was the first time he's even SEEN a C-7!!!  My brother-in-law is beginning his basic as of yesterday in Gagetown, and the "standard" is the 20 MSR.

Thanks Geo for helping me clarify a seemingly rude post.  My bad!! 

[BLUEFISH]

MP3`s here - http://www.defence.gov.au/ARMY/artc/fitness.html#richmedia

Hi i'm new to this forum.....does the link above refer to like a regular gym size that one would run a shuttle test in? 

[CDN Aviator]

Hi i'm new to this forum.....does the link above refer to like a regular gym size that one would run a shuttle test in? 

The shuttle run is 20 meters.......back and forth.......on the beeps...doesnt matter what size gym you do it in

[BLUEFISH]

Thank you ....this means a lote as i came super close to hitting my target but died....i really want to practice and didnt want to practice the wrong thing.....so you're absolutely sure that it's 20 metres acroos all three military components no matter what?

I dont mean to be petulant....just percise 

Thank you again!

[ArmyVern]

Woah,
You understood what 13km+carry+trench dig=BFT,so does everyone else.It's usually the first abbreviation soldiers learn in the recruiting center when their course is outline for them.Geo spelled it out what the standard was.
Ease up.Why is fitness a sore spot with you?As you didn't add all the information.

EX-RCAC,
Whoah there yourself.
I can assure you that Binrat55 is well aware of what a BFT is. I can also assure you that BFT standards (heck we've got army folks who don't know about the trench dig for crying out loud!!) are not common knowledge amongst the Air Force or the Navy. The only place I ever did them was in the Army (and in Cornwallis) and I've served with all 3 enviornments. I'll also take this time to assure you 'fitness' is not a sore spot nor a neglected spot with Binrat. You'll have to take my word for it. I know him and have been on those marchs and in the gym beside him.

[CDN Aviator]

Thank you ....this means a lote as i came super close to hitting my target but died....i really want to practice and didnt want to practice the wrong thing.....so you're absolutely sure that it's 20 metres acroos all three military components no matter what?

I dont mean to be petulant....just percise 

Thank you again!

i did the test in the army...i did the test last week in the air force...its the same test...20 meters....on the beeps...back and forth.

[George Wallace]

.....so you're absolutely sure that it's 20 metres acroos all three military components no matter what?

I dont mean to be petulant....just percise 

That is precisely the reason they call it the "20 meter Beep test".

[EX_RCAC_011]

EX-RCAC,
Whoah there yourself.
I can assure you that Binrat55 is well aware of what a BFT is. I can also assure you that BFT standards (heck we've got army folks who don't know about the trench dig for crying out loud!!) are not common knowledge amongst the Air Force or the Navy. The only place I ever did them was in the Army (and in Cornwallis) and I've served with all 3 enviornments. I'll also take this time to assure you 'fitness' is not a sore spot nor a neglected spot with Binrat. You'll have to take my word for it. I know him and have been on those marchs and in the gym beside him.

Yep
I know him personally myself,we didn't know it till yesterday. (Darn internet reading....never could detect sarcasm/joking)
Is the BFT really not common knowledge across the CF?Maybe I'm missing something here(I've been known to) but isn't basic training a common denominator across the board as per always?Do they not do a BFT during basic training anymore?

I can see them not knowing about the trench dig,however that's one of those things units either do or don't.Depends on the base.As with the ammo can loading (which I think got scrapped as well).Honestly this year was the first time I ever done a trench dig myself during a BFT.And the past few courses we put through DP1 did not do the trench dig.And that was implemented in 2003 IIRC?

[ArmyVern]

I can see them not knowing about the trench dig,however that's one of those things units either do or don't.Depends on the base.As with the ammo can loading (which I think got scrapped as well).Honestly this year was the first time I ever done a trench dig myself during a BFT.And the past few courses we put through DP1 did not do the trench dig.And that was implemented in 2003 IIRC?

Yes it was. So when you yourself didn't see the Trench Dig ( a mandatory part of the annual fitness test BTW - it's not up to the Units) until this year, why do you have such a hard time believing that there are Navy and Ar pers who have never seen, done, or heard of it?

Basic trg yes. Do you forget that really long spell though where there was no such thing as a Recruit School running basic courses? Each enviornment was running their own...remember that? It went on for years. Guess what the CF standard was (actually still is) that those recruits doing basic courses within their own enviornments had to meet? The CF Express test. And that was Jim's point.

[PMedMoe]

IAW CANLANDGEN 011/06 221200 Z Dec 06, para 3, the Trench Dig is done only where facilities exist.

The other day the Ops O and I were talking and he asked what if they're (the facilities) frozen solid? IMHO then the facilities don't exist.
I imagine the military would not agree so there goes doing any BFTs in the dead of winter!!

[BinRat55]

Guess what the CF standard was (actually still is) that those recruits doing basic courses within their own enviornments had to meet? The CF Express test. And that was Jim's point.

Thank you Vern, that was put much better than I did!!  But you always had a way with words, didn't you? 

It's funny, 'cause even though the CF Express Test is the standard across the board, Reg AND Reserve, if Gander had the kit, my guys and myself would be doing the BFT instead.  The lop-sidedness is that on most air bases PT is not a priority.  I just came from spending a week in Shearwater and they are almost begging to get time off to do PT.  As soon as the Express test is over, bang back to work for another year.  I like the concept of Fit To Fight.  We always used to ***** on the 2 X 10's that we were supply, why would we need to do this - we should have our trucks, that's where are stores are anyways.  Well, i'm here to tell you that of all the different duties I have performed in Theatre, I've ALWAYS needed my feet and my back, never my truck. 

[ArmyVern]

IAW CANLANDGEN 011/06 221200 Z Dec 06, para 3, the Trench Dig is done only where facilities exist.

The other day the Ops O and I were talking and he asked what if they're (the facilities) frozen solid? IMHO then the facilities don't exist.
I imagine the military would not agree so there goes doing any BFTs in the dead of winter!!

We did ours in the dead of winter. You are not digging a trench into the ground after all, but are rather using "trench boxes" and moving the pea gravel from one into another. Ours were forklift transportable, thus stored inside, didn't fill up with snow, ice etc because they had covers on them. Moved them outside, popped the covers, got the shovels and voila...the season had zero bearing. They could have been stored outside as well, the covers were wooden.

I'm also talking about the trench dig for RegF Land Units here, as I was below as well.

[ArmyVern]

Well, i'm here to tell you that of all the different duties I have performed in Theatre, I've ALWAYS needed my feet and my back, never my truck. 

I hope you're not trying to tell me that?? 

[PMedMoe]

We did ours in the dead of winter. You are not digging a trench into the ground after all, but are rather using "trench boxes" and moving the pea gravel from one into another. Ours were forklift transportable, thus stored inside, didn't fill up with snow, ice etc because they had covers on them. Moved them outside, popped the covers, got the shovels and voila...the season had zero bearing. They could have been stored outside as well, the covers were wooden.

I'm also talking about the trench dig for RegF Land Units here, as I was below as well.

Yes, Vern, I know what you're talking about but apparently if they don't have the facilities, they don't have to do it.  Here in Kingston, the trench boxes are not stored inside and subsequently are frozen at present.  They do have wooden covers to keep the snow out but not so effective for the wet and cold.     We do expect warmer weather this week so maybe they'll thaw.  Possibly in time for our folks preparing to do the BFT March 21 or 22.

[ArmyVern]

Betcha that "storage" situation is corrected by next year!! 

[EX_RCAC_011]

Basic trg yes. Do you forget that really long spell though where there was no such thing as a Recruit School running basic courses? Each enviornment was running their own...remember that? It went on for years.

Nope.That's why I asked,knew there was proably sometime around RV 82 or something.What year was this?I was proably riding my banana seat paddle bike with blue and white streamers.

Betcha that "storage" situation is corrected by next year!! 

3 years in Gagetown and although I ran past the trench dig every morning I never had to do it until this year.It seems if it's frozen no one goes out of their way to do it.Or if we choose a differnt route,that doesnt end at the boxes.

[ArmyVern]

Nope.That's why I asked,knew there was proably sometime around RV 82 or something.What year was this?I was proably riding my banana seat paddle bike with blue and white streamers.

90s. Cornwallis closed...each enviornment began running their own "basic courses."

3 years in Gagetown and although I ran past the trench dig every morning I never had to do it until this year.It seems if it's frozen no one goes out of their way to do it.Or if we choose a differnt route,that doesnt end at the boxes.

Each Unit has their own. Tech Svcs keeps theirs up by Maint Coy L33. I think it's CFSME that drags theirs out down by Lindsay Valley, etc etc. Don't know which ones you guys march by, but I would too if they weren't my Units.

[EX_RCAC_011]

90s. Cornwallis closed...each enviornment began running their own "basic courses." .

I was 8.Heavily into ninja turtles/Ghost busters and MC Hammer.

Each Unit has their own. Tech Svcs keeps theirs up by Maint Coy L33. I think it's CFSME that drags theirs out down by Lindsay Valley, etc etc. Don't know which ones you guys march by, but I would too if they weren't my Units.

Yep it was the CFSME boxes we used this year.I really don't think our "unit" has the boxes.Look into that tomorrow.

[ArmyVern]

Yep it was the CFSME boxes we used this year.I really don't think our "unit" has the boxes.Look into that tomorrow.

So they begged and borrowed...that's normal in this outfit!!