Topic: Commissioner Wants TTC Cops Armed [ And What About Private Security?]

[S1 (Banned)]

I have been following this thread with much interest and feel the need to reply.

I've been working as a security professional for many years now (probably too many). I got into the field, like many others, with the intention of moving on to a policing career. After working in the security field, I have changed my mind. Part of the reason is a severe disillusionment with the police "institution" and their practices.

I've had the pleasure of interacting with many members of various police services, some were pleasant, others not so much. For example, I read earlier about police having to stay with S. 17 patients until accepted by the hospital. This is true, however apparenty members of the Ottawa, Toronto, O.P.P., R.C.M.P., York, and Durham regions were not made aware of this, because in my years I have had several issues with all of these services leaving Sec. 17 patients unattended, often in the waiting room, often without notifying medical personnel

Also, I can come up with numerous other occassions were the police have not only not assisted security, but have actually done their best to discredit or work against them. Is this the way to make our communities safer.

The other reason I decided against becoming a police officer is I actually care about the safety and well being of my community, and unfortunately most police services I have dealt with, despite their lip service, don't seem to feel the same.

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Why did you feel the need to make a new "identity" just to tell us that?

You have 5 minutes to PM me before the ban hammer comes out....

[little ruddiger (Banned)]

I am not S1 he is my roomate and he used my laptop to view the posts I had been ranting about and felt he had to respond himself. I can understand why there is confusion but I am not the author of that post.

[Bruce Monkhouse]

So "S1" is your roommate who just happens to share the same thoughts about the police and private security..............must have been good luck that two people with the same thinking ended up together.

[Hatchet Man]

I smell a troll 

[zipperhead_cop]

Okay. For the record
1.  I am fully supportive of private security and their pursuit of whatever mandate they are hired for.
2.  Police services get nervous around security "zealots" because they don't have our training, legal support or job descriptions that we do and when they try to, that's when things get screwed up. 
3.  I have seen all of the non-police posters talk about policing as a job, work, intitution, maybe a career, or something distasteful that they chose not to pursue, etc.  They speak in defeatist language like "I chose to do something better" and "I tried and they didn't want me".  The only person who took you out of the competition was you.
When you have a badge, you are part of a family.  The same as a Regimental family.  You go to the wall for your brothers and sisters in every situation, because it is usually us against the world.  We only have each other.  When you apply for the job, and you get accepted, that is one police officer saying to all other police officers "I would work with this person.  I would go through a door with them in a gun call.  I would trust them to get me home to my family.  I see this person as so filled with potential that they are deserving of the Public Trust.  I believe they can be a Police Officer".   That is a pretty awesome thing and it takes a lot of demonstration of worthiness to get to that point.

To say that

unfortunately most police services I have dealt with, despite their lip service, don't seem to feel the same.

police are disinterested in the well being of their communities is at best wrong, and at worst painfully ignorant of what we actually do. 
If private security is your thing, please enjoy your career and do the best you can at it. 
The TTC are not security guards.  They are sworn officers and uphold the public trust in Toronto's transit system.  If they are sworn to put themselves in harms way, they should have the tools they need.

[Old Ranger]

And for medical stuff the paramedics will beat us there every time. 

There has always been speculation for the above happening?

Maybe the Medics will take this one for us...?

Cheers

Armeveryuniformouthere Ben

[zipperhead_cop]

I smell a troll 

I think the troll has been cut off.  Darn.   

[Tommy]

Meh, I dont miss him....

besides... you can only say "youre wrong, and while im on the subject youre also a complete F@#$ing MORON too!" so many times before you just hit the person for not listening... or since thats technically wrong, you either remove yourself, or him from the situation... in this case our Mods saw fit to remove him.... because he's a tool....

and bitter....

and zipperhead,

...When you have a badge, you are part of a family.  The same as a Regimental family.  You go to the wall for your brothers and sisters in every situation, because it is usually us against the world.  We only have each other.  When you apply for the job, and you get accepted, that is one police officer saying to all other police officers "I would work with this person.  I would go through a door with them in a gun call.  I would trust them to get me home to my family.  I see this person as so filled with potential that they are deserving of the Public Trust.  I believe they can be a Police Officer".   That is a pretty awesome thing and it takes a lot of demonstration of worthiness to get to that point...

thats what im hopeing the boys in recruiting will see in me.

but thats about the best way to put what it really feels like to want to be a cop. when youre applying and working towards it, all youre thinking is, "I hope they think im good enough to join their ranks. I hope they can see the potential."

[zipperhead_cop]

Then you will be in someday.  Stay the course.

[Slim]

Hi All

As the origionator of this thread I feel somewhat responsible to the other posters over what happened here.

ZHC
I apologize to you publically for the outbursts that the now-banned members of the forum made regarding police officers. Being Both an Aux PC and a private security specialist I am sometimes straddling the fence on a variety of issues regarding law enforcement and the age-old who-gets-to-do-what-under-the-law arguement.

 I am very much pro police (specially since I am one, well sort of anyway... ) and when working in a policing enviorment do feel the 'family bond' that goes along with it. In the region that I police I feel very lucky as the current chief is very pro aux and we are able to do quite a bit in terms of actual policing, not just parades and other public events. (member the first time you drove the car with the lights and siren going!? ) Or had a hand in the arrest of a dangerous public offender (firebug in my case).

The police family is like no other...And despite some outward appearances please let me assure everyone who reads this that the MAJORITY OR POLICE CARE DEEPLY ABOUT THE PUBLIC'S WELFARE!! There will always be those who do not...But they can be found in every walk of life and pursue every career, not just law enforcement.

Again ZHC - please accepty my apologies on behalf of those who don't know better and are too arrogant to learn. If you want to know more about what I do in the real world PM me and I'd be glad to share it with you...And it may surprise you just a bit.

Cheers

To the rest of the posters in the thread

Gents, we have some good ideas flowing back and forth here...With the exception of those who are now banned and will not beinterupting us again. Please don't let this or any thread die due to the crap that was spewed by a very few who are no longer with us!

To the mods (bruce I guess) thanks very much for cleaning up a mess that you shouldn't have had to touch. I was remiss in not monitoring this thread more closely given the subject nature and the strong feelings involved in it. I hope to be able to do the same for you!

Cheers

Slim

[zipperhead_cop]

No blood, no foul.  I enjoy lightning rods.   Now that Lil Rud is gone, and you guys punted Silverbach, who am I going to tangle with?  Glorified Ape is too smart

[Tommy]

and the rest of us are all pretty much Pro-Cop...

[zipperhead_cop]

Can we raid post on hippy sites and then challenge them to answer here?  Or is that bad form? 
This one could use an infusion of good old true blue spirit:
http://www.nk.ca/~doctor/blog/serendipity/archives/33-Council-of-Canadians-has-joined-forces-with-other-social-justice-groups-and-unions.html

I just know they are dying to get the soldiers perspective

[Slim]

Can we raid post on hippy sites and then challenge them to answer here?  Or is that bad form? 

NO

We wnt though that earlier this year and it cost no amount of grief! (I know you're kidding...you ARE kidding right?)

Anyway gent, lets crank this thread back up and have at 'er!

[zipperhead_cop]

Sorry, wasn't here earlier in the year.  Disregard my last.  Love to see the old posts that caused the grief, though.

[Tommy]

Can we raid post on hippy sites and then challenge them to answer here?  Or is that bad form? 
This one could use an infusion of good old true blue spirit:
http://www.nk.ca/~doctor/blog/serendipity/archives/33-Council-of-Canadians-has-joined-forces-with-other-social-justice-groups-and-unions.html

I just know they are dying to get the soldiers perspective

after reading those post i think maybe they might just be satisfied if we sent em some tinfoil hats or something... sheesh, talk about paranoid.... i love how some liberals make the conservatives out to be this big bad scary monster thats going to eat your children and throw heated up nickles at orphans or something... god.. its just a political party... not to mention a minority... what they can and cannot do is going to be fairly limited when you really look at it...

I dont think theyre extreme enough.... i think its much more fun to take a true granola cruncher like those mokeys at the protest from York U. the one with the video. you can get them all rilled up and foaming at the mouth and everything.... thats way more fun! 

[zipperhead_cop]

Would there be a link to such a thing?  Just for the sake of idle curiosity...