Topic: JTF-2/Airborne destined for land north of Trenton?

[geo]

Heh.... I guess Base defence exercises at CFB Trenton will get interesting over the next couple of years....

[BulletMagnet]

One has to wonder if it would not just be easier to move all Operational CANASOF units to the same base.....

[Good2Golf]

Indeed, Haggis. 

Folks, on topic, please.  Move and construction, etc...


The Milnet.ca Staff

[karl28]

            Oh my god the local Trenton news was actually right for once .  Now I am so very afraid 

[SF2]

wait for a press release later this week.......

[MarkOttawa]

Bubbles: In the late 80s the whole point of having the RCMP's SERT (which JTF 2 replaced, much smaller then than now) close to Ottawa was to enable a very rapid response, by the best trained people possible, to a hostage-taking incident.  It would seem (and with some reason) that that sort of terrorist threat is no longer at the top of the list.  An RCMP ERT has nothing like the necessary specialized capabilities nor training.

Nevertheless...
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/arts/story.html?id=fc0e4be6-7eeb-4fb8-864a-4693c4da0bd6&k=12850

Mark
Ottawa

[FormerHorseGuard]

I always thought the JTF group was  secret unit and avoided press releases and the press in general. i guess i was worng, after my  Local MP missed her chance to have them sent to Petawawa which is also in her riding,  I see that  the paper reports  that  they are moving to Trenton. guess the bad guys do not need spies, jsut read the front page of the Ottawa papers. In the story  they  said the neighbours had trouble with  late night excercises and noise were kind of disturbing but after they made a deal to be warned in advance of lound noises things got better.
One lady  wanted to know who would come take their place.  the sotry  said another military  unit or the RCMP would take over the complex for training.

I am glad to see the farm team has a new home to look forward and Iwill be equally  shocked if they  get everything in place for the price tag of 220 million. i figure double that  and you might have it all in place.

[milnews.ca]

From November 2007....

Kingston Whig Standard

Posted By Luke Hendry

Canada's Department of National Defence still wants to buy land north of CFB Trenton, but Osprey News has learned officials will settle for much less than the ideal amount.

In written answers to Osprey News questions, DND spokesman Dave Martin said the DND still wants to buy about 401 hectares (990 acres) of land between the base, RCAF Road, Meyers Creek Road and Whites Road.

But, for the first time, he added the government can work with less land if landowners won't sell the full amount.

"The minimum requirement is for 220 hectares," Martin said ....

Bumped with the latest....

The federal government plans to kick two landowners off their property to make way for the construction of a massive new base for Canada’s special forces.

Defence Minister Peter MacKay confirmed the move Wednesday, saying that the extraordinary steps are necessary so that the country’s elite commandos can set up a new training facility in a remote area next to the military’s main air base, CFB Trenton.

“Expeditionary forces and forces that are deploying overseas being close to an airbase is something that helps facilitate that,” he said in Ottawa. “Similarly, the current training areas are in an urban area and so again for operational training, for the type of specialized training necessary, this new facility we believe will optimize our abilities.”

The long-planned move will consolidate the Canadian Special Operations Forces Command, a team that includes the elite Joint Task Force 2 counterterrorism force and the Canadian Special Operation Regiment. Currently, JTF2 is based at the Dwyer Hill Training Facility northwest of Ottawa while CSOR operates out of CFB Petawawa.

The plans have been stalled by two holdouts with landowners near Trenton who have refused to sell their farmland to the federal government. The first is Frank Myers, whose family has owned the 93-hectare farm for 200 years. The other is Jim Pang, of Belleville, whom local news reports say purchased his 22-hectare property as an investment in 1976.

Neither could be reached Wednesday for comment. Both have been in negotiations for years with the government, but refused to sell off their properties ....

Toronto Star, 1 Feb 12

[Hatchet Man]

Interesting.  1) Can't wait for those on the left to start crucifying Harper/McKay for booting people off land they have owned for centuries in one case apparently (click on the link and look and the title of the article  "Reluctant landowners fall victim to Canadian commandos" thats not biased at all ), perhaps if their saviour PET had enshrined property rights in the Charter..... (I am in indifferent, just pointing out the obvious crap storm that this will cause).  2) Didn't CSOR just open up a brand new building in Pet?

[Technoviking]

Two families?  That's nothing.  Check out the history of the expropriation of the land when they established CFB Gagetown.

From Wikipedia article on CFB Gagetown:

Over 900 families inhabited the area primarily engaged in agriculture and forestry industries. The terrain was variable, providing mixed Acadian forest, swamp and marshland, as well as open farming areas similar to the North European Plain. The influence of the St. Croix Highlands, part of the Appalachian Mountain range, creates hilly terrain and valleys in the southern and western part of the region close to the Nerepis and Oromocto Rivers.

From another site:

The land expropriated in 1953 resulted in the removal of 750 families with a total of 3,000 residents, and the destruction of 20 communities.

For interest, the PM at the time was Louis St Laurent (Lib-MP for Québec East).

[George Wallace]

We can look at almost every Army and Air Base in Canada and see that the same thing occurred.  The expropriation of land in 1905 West of Pembroke created what is now CFB Petawawa ..........

[Good2Golf]

Interesting.  1) Can't wait for those on the left to start crucifying Harper/McKay for booting people off land they have owned for centuries in one case apparently (click on the link and look and the title of the article  "Reluctant landowners fall victim to Canadian commandos" thats not biased at all ), perhaps if their saviour PET had enshrined property rights in the Charter..... (I am in indifferent, just pointing out the obvious crap storm that this will cause).  2) Didn't CSOR just open up a brand new building in Pet?

Speaking of P.E.T., remember, there were all those people in Mirabel who had their land expropriated to build the airport, in many cases, families owing the land for centuries*?


* - and in some other cases, people who owned the land for a few weeks or months, but who, it appeared, were okay with being paid much more than they spent weeks earlier.   

[milnews.ca]

A Quinte West family has filed an objection with the federal government in a last-ditch effort to save its ancestral farm from expropriation.

“We’re are going to fight this the best we can,” John Meyers told QMI Agency Tuesday.

His father, Frank Meyers, has vowed to fight the expropriation of 220 acres of farm land located on the south side of Meyers Creek Road.

The feds finally moved in February to begin the expropriation process on the few remaining properties needed to build a massive training facility at the north end of Canadian Forces Base Trenton ....

Kingston Whig-Standard, 7 Mar 12