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CFAT scores
« on: February 07, 2008, 19:38:52 »
I was wondering about the exact scores on the aptitude test to pass. Since it's trade based I know some will be higher then others. But is there a limit to passing like 50%? Or is it possible to score like 30% on your problem solving for certain trades where as some would need say 90%. I'm just curious how this works. I believe the problem solving is out of 30 so how many questions would I need to get correct for all trades to be open?

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Re: CFAT scores
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2008, 19:44:29 »
Use the search feature --"CFAT" will turn up tons of results. Quick answer- Different trades have different required scores, but you will not know what those scores are or what your score is.

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Re: CFAT scores
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2008, 18:21:32 »
having done the CFAT myself with about 60-70 trade choices (not sure if it's all of them), this is exactly what happens. there is no such thing as a fail, but if you don't do as well your trade choices will be limited, for trades like infantry or general military trades, you dont have to do as well as a trade like weapons tech. So unless your going into a highly technical trade don't sweat it that much. They will circle you first choice on you list of "applicable MOCs". If you do not get your first choice, if not they'll circle your second choice, and then your third if you dont get your second. Also keep in mind that you may take the CFAT more than once, so if you really want your first choice and odn't get it , it is possible to request another test (although i dont think this can be done on the same day and if you live far away from the recruiting center this could be a issue).

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Re: CFAT scores
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2008, 18:27:22 »
lots of stories on this site about people who did not qualify for infantry and were offered other trades so do be so quick to assume that you know how the CFAT works and dont be so quick to assume that infantry is at the bottom of the score requirement.
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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2008, 19:33:06 »
Im saying this based on a person who did the CFAT with me. He was offered only 6 or 7 trade and I think it was steward, infantry and a few others. i never claimed i knew everything about the CFAT either
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Re: CFAT scores
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2008, 20:02:48 »
The CFAT is based on Grad 10 education.

The %iles are not normally given out because they can be misleading.

the "cut off" scores vary with different occupational groups, and those cut off scores can vary yearly, or every so often.

My advice to you is don't think too much about what score you need to get, just try to answer all of them as you are not penalized for wrong answers.
Also, only attempt the aptitude test if you feel you are ready to pass as there is a limit with how many times you can write the test, as you might need to get an academic upgrade to rewrite.

If you have any other questions contact your local recruiting centre and ask to speak to the testing clerk. 1-800-856-8488

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Re: CFAT scores
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2010, 23:56:46 »
Sorry to revive this old thread, but I heard on this site you only need about 18/60 to get into infantry.. is this true?

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Re: CFAT scores
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2010, 00:00:20 »
Sorry to revive this old thread, but I heard on this site you only need about 18/60 to get into infantry.. is this true?

Scores are not released. Scores are not given out. Knowing an arbitrary number won't help you write the CFAT.  Each section of the test is scored separately and will have a different effect on what trades you may be eligible for.

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« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2010, 07:38:06 »
To add to Mr. O'Leary's post, even if you did know what score you needed to get to be able to apply for a certain trade, you should still attempt to do your very best on the CFAT.  I don't think I'd want to hire someone who only strives to meet the minimum requirement. 
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Re: CFAT scores
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2010, 15:00:18 »
I'd imagine different scores on the different aspects will determine what you are recommended for. A highly educated person may be in the top percentile for problem solving and linguistic but he may have done so poorly in visual that many of the "hands on" NCM trades certainly wouldn't be the right fit. I don't think it's worthwhile is worry about.

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Re: CFAT scores
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2010, 13:05:43 »
Well after my CFAT during the interview, my interviewer gave me my score and said I did excellent. I'm pretty sure that there is such thing as failing the CFAT but I think it would be pretty hard. Besides it's an Aptitude test, not an achievement test, they want to see what your suited for if your a genius.


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« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2010, 13:29:24 »
My recruiter told me, (P-RES) that i would be given a Regiment interview, then after that, I would have another.. do my CFAT.. etc. I guess lots of people do everything differently, varies i guess.
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« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2010, 16:51:16 »
I did my CFAT today and it wasnt that bad. The spatial was the hardest for me. lol a lot of guessing. but for the math read the instructions they gave you and practice your fractions, decimals, percentages, and long division and you should be good to go. thats what i did and i passed. I aint no academic wizard. My high school average is 54.

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Re: CFAT scores
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2010, 19:35:23 »
To be honest, a CFAT is an alternate schoolcard. And Some things come naturally to some, not to others. I shouldn't say that a 17yr old who writes the CFAT and is eligible for all should drop high school at all, but it does help to give the chance to a 30-year old who wasn't the greatest in school but was eligible for all trades to 'academically' compete against someone who is 18, did great in school but had fewer choices within the CFAT for a trade.

The CFAT in addition to your high school diploma opens doors for you. The better the score, the more cards you get to play with when applying for a trade. This is from a CF recruiter I spoke with.
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« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2010, 13:30:08 »
Here's my PXR based on the eCFAT I sat on Tuesday and a subsequent conversation with my recruiter. I won't discuss specifics as it's not allowed and defeats the object, however, hopefully this general overview and advice may help somebody......

1. Make sure you read everything here first:

http://www.forces.ca/en/page/theapplicationprocess-106#step3-3

2. The downloadable practice paper gives you an idea of what to expect in terms of the style of questions, however, I found the actual test significantly more difficult. The practice paper below was fairly useful and the more prep you do beforehand the better frame of mind you'll be in. I'm 39 and it's been a long time since I sat in the classroom; those of you straight out of high school may find it easier.

http://www.psc-cfp.gc.ca/ppc-cpp/pract-test-examn-pract/gct2-ecg2-pratc-eng.htm

3. In my opinion, there's not a lot you can do to improve your chances on the first 2 sections of the test (Verbal Skills and Spatial Ability). You'll either have a good grasp of language or you won't - short of memorising a dictionary/thesaurus there's not much training you can do. Similarly, your brain will be able to formulate shapes and patterns or it won't - I believe that we're all hard-wired in this area, some will find this natural and some will find it a black art. That said, the factor which affected me the most on these sections was lack of time, I literally had seconds to spare at the end.

4. The final section (Problem Solving) is an area where you can help your cause beforehand. The math is no different than I did in school and provided you've remembered how to do fractions, percentages etc you should do fine. I personally found that there was plenty of time and I'd finished with 12 minutes left to spare. I used this time to go over my answers again to check for silly mistakes.

5. Timing, Timing, Timing……..don't get too wrapped up with any one question. If you're beginning to struggle then move on to the next. It's better to answer a few easier questions correctly, than waste ages on a difficult one which you subsequently get wrong. If you find you've got questions left and seconds to spare then make an educated guess; you've got a 1 in 4 chance of getting it right and you won't lose anything for getting it wrong.

6. Don't get disheartened, or start panicking, if you find you don't know the answers to all the questions, just do your best. For example, I'm enrolling as a Vehicle Tech for which the current pass mark (subject to change) is 35. Presuming that this score is spread equally across the 3 sections then I would have needed roughly 9 out of 15 correct on Sections 1&2 and 18 out of 30 on Section 3. You can see that this is very achievable provided you answer as many as you can and don't spend too much time on any one question.

7. If you know your required pass mark don't just aim at that, aim to do your best and answer as many as you can. If you intend to make a career of the military then the 'just enough' approach may bite you in the *** later. For example, should you decide to change trade, or commission from the ranks, your CFAT score will be revisited and used in the decision making process.

8. Finally, If you want to know what score you got then just ask. What's the worse that can happen……? I asked my recruiter and he had no problem in telling me how I did and what I got wrong etc - needless to say, I was glad to hear I passed  ;)

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Re: CFAT scores
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2011, 10:46:04 »
Hi everyone,

I've been practicing for my CFAT exam in 3 weeks. I know many will mock me for spending a bit of money on TEST READY PRO, but I can take it. I'm writing to anyone who is stressing about this aptitude exam, and if you would like to put your mind at ease, I can send u the PDF from testreadypro.ca that I purchased to help you study. READ BELOW

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« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2011, 10:29:36 »
if any one is struggling with preparing for their test, email jason for that file it is VERY USEFUL....
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Re: CFAT scores
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2011, 14:41:05 »
This site (below) is awesome!!!  It is totally free, but you do have to go through some annoying sign up stages....do it, it is worth it.  I really like how it spits out your scores on each section, and after tallying up your overall score, you can compare which occupation you are most qualified for. Although it is American, I am certain there is little difference to the CFAT in terms of math difficulty.

http://www.military.com/ASVAB

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« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2011, 15:01:15 »
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« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2011, 15:29:09 »
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« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2011, 15:41:51 »
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« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2011, 16:32:43 »
Just took the CFAT for infantry officer. I passed but 3 out of the 6 failed. So don't underestimate it, you only got 2 tries at it.

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Re: CFAT scores
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2011, 11:05:34 »
Just took the CFAT for infantry officer. I passed but 3 out of the 6 failed. So don't underestimate it, you only got 2 tries at it.

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« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2011, 11:11:22 »
Do you know what the pass mark was Dlew?

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« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2011, 11:12:11 »
Do you know what the pass mark was Dlew?

There is no "pass mark"; or to be more accurate, there is no "pass mark" published.  It is an Aptitude Test for which your mark will dictate which Trade options may be open to you.  The higher your marks, the more options you will have of Trades to choose.  The lower your marks, the fewer Trades will be open to you.
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« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2011, 12:03:22 »
CFAT marks are not given out......
There is no "pass mark"; or to be more accurate, there is no "pass mark" published.  It is an Aptitude Test for which your mark will dictate which Trade options may be open to you.  The higher your marks, the more options you will have of Trades to choose.  The lower your marks, the fewer Trades will be open to you.

Just to clarify, I appreciate that 'pass marks' aren't published. When I took the eCFAT for Veh Tech I asked my recruiter what I needed to score and he told me (35/60 at the time). I was just interested what was needed for Inf Off and whether Dlew knew or not?  ;)
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« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2011, 09:25:19 »
Just to clarify, I appreciate that 'pass marks' aren't published. When I took the eCFAT for Veh Tech I asked my recruiter what I needed to score and he told me (35/60 at the time). I was just interested what was needed for Inf Off and whether Dlew knew or not?  ;)
How this information can help you or anybody?
Iit is clearly- you apply for trades and after that you must do eCFAT.
If you passed - you will be informed by recruiter. It's all. What you need else?To compare?
I just passed test a few weeks ago. After the test  we received information who passed test .Recruiter told us that we can continue our recruiting process according our trades of choice.
I don't care about scores.

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« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2011, 11:42:50 »
How this information can help you or anybody?

It's quite possible that I'll want to CFR one day. If and when that day comes I'll have to sit the CFAT again. It's worth knowing whether I have a chance of meeting the required score to be an Officer.

Iit is clearly- you apply for trades and after that you must do eCFAT.
If you passed - you will be informed by recruiter. It's all. What you need else?To compare?

Thanks for the reminder, but I hadn't forgotten.

I just passed test a few weeks ago. After the test  we received information who passed test .Recruiter told us that we can continue our recruiting process according our trades of choice.

Good for you.

I don't care about scores.

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« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2011, 14:07:32 »
I find that time spent on reconnaissance is seldom wasted.

So true.......Unless the recce keeps on coming up with the same facts.  Then it is a waste of time and effort.  If the answer from the CFRC is that their Recruiting Policy states CFAT scores are not released, then to constantly ask for them is damn foolishness. 
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« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2011, 14:32:16 »
It's quite possible that I'll want to CFR one day. If and when that day comes I'll have to sit the CFAT again. It's worth knowing whether I have a chance of meeting the required score to be an Officer.
Nobody can tell you about required score to be an Officer.

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« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2011, 15:25:04 »
So true.......Unless the recce keeps on coming up with the same facts.  Then it is a waste of time and effort.  If the answer from the CFRC is that their Recruiting Policy states CFAT scores are not released, then to constantly ask for them is damn foolishness.

I take your point George. I think 'constantly asking for them' is explanatory 'mission creep' to say the least, but I'll call it a day as it's clear that I'm the only recruit in this forum who knows what his pass mark was.

Nobody can tell you about required score to be an Officer.

That's quite obviously not true.
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« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2011, 16:55:29 »
That's quite obviously not true.
If it would be so easy you already had got this information.

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« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2011, 17:04:19 »
Do you have to get the last word in?

Drop it.

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« Reply #33 on: February 18, 2011, 16:12:43 »
Just call the recruiting centre and they will tell you the minimum officer score. I called today and was told as soon as I asked the question. I won't post it here for fear of being flamed  :) I just tried a quick google on the internet. Try that and you will be linked to military research studies that discuss the general officer cut off.

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« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2011, 16:32:01 »
Just call the recruiting centre and they will tell you the minimum officer score.

You say that like knowing the minimum score is actualy useful information.

It is not.
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« Reply #35 on: February 18, 2011, 16:50:21 »
I never said it was useful. Question asked was can you know the minimum score and yes you can.  I always hesitate to post on this forum because the minute you do your attacked.

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« Reply #36 on: February 19, 2011, 08:22:43 »
Grow up. You were not attacked. You were not flamed. Someone disagreed with you is all. Spare us the drama.

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Re: CFAT scores
« Reply #37 on: February 19, 2011, 14:24:27 »
Scott: Please see my PM

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Re: CFAT scores
« Reply #38 on: February 19, 2011, 14:44:48 »
Saw that PM. You were NOT attacked here. No matter how much crying you do it's simply not an attack. CDN Aviator disagreed with you and pointed out why - that IS NOT an attack.

You said:
Just call the recruiting centre and they will tell you the minimum officer score. I called today and was told as soon as I asked the question. I won't post it here for fear of being flamed  :) I just tried a quick google on the internet. Try that and you will be linked to military research studies that discuss the general officer cut off.

and the response was:
You say that like knowing the minimum score is actualy useful information.

It is not.

This response from a serving member of the CF. Someone who has been through the recruiting system and who ha also helped others through the system. The simple answer is that the CFAT scores do not matter to you - write the bloody test to the best of your ability and move along. I said it in another thread: once you're beyond the precious CFAT it does not matter - focus on being fit, focus on being a good buddy, focus on getting your tasks done, focus on the learning. All of this time and energy put into test scores is really moot. I believe that this is what CDN Aviator was trying to sum up. Trying to sum it up to be helpful to others.

And you think it was an attack?

Listen, just because someone disagrees with you and points out why does not constitute an attack. Get over yourself.

Yeah, I got your PM. You don't have to post in the thread that you sent one so that others will see that you did not back down ::)
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Re: CFAT scores
« Reply #39 on: February 19, 2011, 16:22:52 »
One thing that many people seem to be forgetting here is that the key word in CFAT is Aptitude. This a natural talent that the applicants possess. The recruiters want to find what your communication, troubleshooting and spatial perception skills are to find a trade that will best suit your natural abilities.

It is very possible that some trades would require different levels for the scores in the different categories. For example, you may require high communication and troubleshooting marks but not spatial perception for one trade and lower communication but higher spatial perception for another. Although an overall score may be used for certain aspects it really should only be seen as a means that the recruiters have to determine if you will be able to succeed in the trade.

As many have said, once you have passed the recruiting stage your results are not required unless you happen to want to remuster at some later point. The test is not meant to intimidate you but rather to help you find the career that will best suit your natural talents that are determined by your results.

Personally, I believe that if you want to do better on the test work on the core areas by: reading and writing more for the communications portion, doing more math for the troubleshooting portion and going through puzzles and spatial games for the spatial perception portion. Every person will have different strengths and weaknesses and the test is used as an initial gauge to determine where yours are.

By learning how to pass the test, that is all you will do and may find that the aptitudes that you require for your trade are not innate and will make thriving in the trade more difficult for you. When I prepared for the test, I ran through the sample questions to have a feel for what to expect, rested well and completed the test.

If you do not get the trade that you desired it is only to help you succeed and not to punish you. The score to shoot for is your best through your natural abilities in the areas tested to be able to succeed in the trade that best suits you.

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Re: CFAT scores
« Reply #40 on: February 19, 2011, 18:48:21 »
Just practice, practice, practice and be prepared for the test.  Then you will ace it and get the dream job you are hoping for LOL ;D

I did the practice test:  http://cdn.forces.ca/_PDF2010/preparing_for_aptitude_test_en.pdf

I Got 5 wrong in the math section so now i go here:  http://www.khanacademy.org/

and every day I practice grade 10 math fractions, long division,  percentages etc.

I also paid  for more practice of the CFAT here:  http://www.publicserviceprep.com/public/full_pkg_canadianforces.aspx

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Re: CFAT scores
« Reply #41 on: February 20, 2011, 09:56:38 »
One thing that many people seem to be forgetting here is that the key word in CFAT is Aptitude. This a natural talent that the applicants possess. The recruiters want to find what your communication, troubleshooting and spatial perception skills are to find a trade that will best suit your natural abilities.

THIS.

The test is to check your APTITUDE levels.

"aptitude ( ) n. An inherent ability, as for learning; a talent:"

The CFAT is decidedly NOT a knowledge test.  Knowledge tests are to see what you know.

Aptitude tests are used to see what you are capable of doing.

Example.  You, as a machinist might know how to safely operate a CNC multi-axis mill.  However, you may have no sweet clue how to program the G-code that runs it, defining the tool path, speed of advance, cutting depth, etc.

However, you may have a highly developed understanding of how the machinery....you'd probably know how to oil, repair and maintain the tool. 

The guy who writes the G-code may never have even seen the Mill that you're working on.  He probably doesn't know the day-to day maintenance requirements for it.

Extend that to your own aptitudes....that programmer probably takes his car in every 3 months to get the oil-change done....you know how to change the oil on your mill, so by extension, a car isn't such a scarily different piece of equipment, you probably do it on your own.  You have mechanical aptitude. 

Sort of make sense?

That programmer probably knows HOW the oil is changed on his car....but can he do it?  Can he line up the oil filter properly? 

The CFAT measures for APTITUDE, not knowledge. 

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Re: CFAT scores
« Reply #42 on: February 22, 2011, 17:50:40 »
Just my 2c.  Does it make any difference at all what the cut off scores are?  You either do well enough or you don't.  It's not like knowing the required scores will make you any smarter.

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Re: CFAT scores
« Reply #43 on: February 24, 2011, 12:25:52 »
Just my 2c.  Does it make any difference at all what the cut off scores are?  You either do well enough or you don't.  It's not like knowing the required scores will make you any smarter.

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Re: CFAT scores
« Reply #44 on: February 24, 2011, 12:44:58 »
Just my 2c.  Does it make any difference at all what the cut off scores are?  You either do well enough or you don't.  It's not like knowing the required scores will make you any smarter.

Please stop attacking people with your logic.

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Re: CFAT scores
« Reply #45 on: March 07, 2011, 17:34:46 »
Would someone need to score high on the CFAT for intel op?. Im going to do my CFAT in a couple of days and was just wondering if anyone knew.

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Re: CFAT scores
« Reply #46 on: March 07, 2011, 17:56:17 »
Would someone need to score high on the CFAT for intel op?. Im going to do my CFAT in a couple of days and was just wondering if anyone knew.

Sorry, they're only recruiting those who know the difference between Int and Intel.   >:D

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Re: CFAT scores
« Reply #47 on: March 07, 2011, 17:58:06 »
Would someone need to score high on the CFAT for intel op?. Im going to do my CFAT in a couple of days and was just wondering if anyone knew.

From another (now locked) thread you started

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i applied in feb did my CFAT  a week later and was told that i passed and one of the ones i qualified for was intel op

Please figure out which story is true before posting again. People around here don't appreciate being deceived.

Finally, as Occam said, Int not Intel