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New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« on: September 16, 2008, 13:58:29 »
I heard about this a couple of weeks ago - here is the direction that my Formation has just issued:
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New Government of Canada-wide Standards for Emails and Bilingual Signature Blocks

As part of the Treasury Board Secretariat’s Common Look and Feel Standards for the Internet 2.0, all DND/CF users must implement a new signature block and all email addresses must be changed to comply with the new standards by 31 December 2008.

This site is designed to provide all DND/CF users with the information they need to understand the changes being made to their email addresses resulting from this new direction.

It also provides users with useful tips and instructions to follow to ensure that they comply with government standards and that there is no impact to their email communications.

Changes to DND/CF Email Addresses as of 1 November 2008

For several years, DND and the CF have used the following naming convention for all external email addresses: lastname.initials@forces.gc.ca. On 1 November 2008, DND/CF will adopt the Treasury Board Secretariat standard, which all departments are required to follow. This new standard will result in new external email addresses for all DND/CF members with the first name being used in place of initials as follows: firstname.lastname@forces.gc.ca. Each user will automatically receive a new email address. The email addresses displayed internally will remain unchanged, e.g. Lastname initials@your organization @your geographic location.
 
DND Standard Email Addresses Example       Examples      
Old Email Address   lastname.initials@forces.gc.ca   johnston.bk@forces.gc.ca      
New Email Address   firstname.lastname@forces.gc.ca   barbara.johnston@forces.gc.ca   

The old email address will continue to function until 1 November 2009, and users will continue to receive all emails sent to their old or new e-mail address during this 12-month period. Both BlackBerry devices and PKI will continue to function normally.

Changes to DND/CF Email Signature Blocks effective 31 December 2008

With the use of email as a communication tool for delivering Government of Canada information, the source and type of contact information at both institutional and individual levels must be clearly identified. Public servants who provide information via email cannot make assumptions regarding the end-use of information. Thus, the Treasury Board Secretariat now stipulates that all email messages must contain enough information to identify the individual and the government institution s/he represents as well as full contact information to facilitate further communication via various methods such as telephone, facsimile or postal mail. The new signature block standard is also fully bilingual.

All emails sent to addresses outside the Government of Canada shall be signed with a standardized bilingual signature block. Each individual must update his or her signature block to the new standard by 31 December 2008.
For more examples of signature blocks, please see the signature block templates.
 
New DND Standard Email Signature Blocks   Example (DND Facilities/Offices Outside Québec, CF Member)      

 
New DND Standard Email Signature Blocks   Example (DND Facilities/Offices Outside Québec, CF Member)
      
First and last name                Raymond Martin
Rank                                    Master Corporal | Caporal-chef
Title (optional)                      Communications Officer | Agent en communications
Directorate                           IM Gp Communications | Communications du Gp GI
Branch                                 Information Management Group | Groupe de gestion de l'information
Department                          National Defence | Défense nationale                   
Mail Address                         Ottawa, Canada K1A 0K2
Email address                       Raymond.Martin@forces.gc.ca
Telephone                           Telephone | Téléphone 613-999-9999
Fax                                      Facsimile | Télécopieur 613-999-9999
Teletypewriter                     Teletypewriter (National Defence) | Téléimprimeur (Défense nationale) 1-800-467-9877
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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2008, 14:08:00 »
So that means a signature block like the one I use ain't any good anymore?

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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2008, 14:15:53 »
I'll put that on my list of things to do....... ::)
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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2008, 14:28:23 »
I'll put that on my list of things to do....... ::)

No kidding,

So how does one write Supreme overlord in french?   ;D
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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2008, 14:42:21 »
I signed stuff as "Hubschrauberoberstabmeister" when I was LFCA G3 Aviation.

I could probably bastardize French enough for something equally amusing (or annoying to the native-speakers) for future positions.

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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2008, 14:43:56 »
No kidding,

So how does one write Supreme overlord in french?   ;D

The friendly people over at Yahoo! Babel Fish suggest : Suzerain suprême .


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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2008, 14:57:44 »

All emails sent to addresses outside the Government of Canada shall be signed with a standardized bilingual signature block. Each individual must update his or her signature block to the new standard by 31 December 2008.


Who are the lucky techs who get to ensure that this is done by everyone?!  ::)
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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2008, 15:04:49 »
Who are the lucky techs who get to ensure that this is done by everyone?!  ::)

I imagine that will be a supervisor thing.  I just got ahead of things and changed it already.  ::)  Just waiting for the first person to email me in French......oh wait, that already happened.  ;D

Edit to add:  MARS, do you have a link for this info?
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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2008, 15:37:06 »
So?

How many Robert Jones and Al Smith's are we going to find?
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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2008, 15:39:50 »
So if this is for outside of Quebec, what is the policy for inside Quebec?

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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2008, 15:49:33 »

All emails sent to addresses outside the Government of Canada shall be signed with a standardized bilingual signature block. Each individual must update his or her signature block to the new standard by 31 December 2008.
 

So does that mean I can keep my standard signature for internal emails?


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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2008, 15:55:54 »
The email I posted was sent from the NAVRES IS Help desk.  The embedded links (which did not show up in my posting) do not work.  In the Maple Leaf, it says more info can be found at:

http://img.mil.ca/svcdesk/index_e.asp which brings you to the IM Grp website - this policy does not really jump out off the page - it is surely buried in there somewhere.

WRT internal vs external email signature blocks - I am not that savvy, so I have not been able to find a way to assign external and internal signature blocks to my outgoing emails.  Any help would be appreciated.
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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2008, 16:05:55 »
I am sure there is no real way of changing your block from external to internal (manually), I am just disappointed that I will never get to use my avatar in my block. (sarcasm)

Although I do have some time before the policy does take effect

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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2008, 16:08:16 »
John Smiths!!??

LOL.

There's two Vern Gibsons for crying out loud. I get his mail - he gets my mail ... all the time. Even though I outrank him and our rank currently shows ...

This should be good for nothing more than ******* up things even more royally than they already are.

FFS. Enough of the BS already.

Then there is the MCpl in PEI who shares the name with the MP somewhere else in Atlantic Canada ... and the good MCpl was always getting "MilPol" email ... some of which he should never have seen. This ought to be really really good.
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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2008, 16:11:16 »
Oh geez ... did I just out myself??
 
Surprise.   ::)
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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2008, 16:12:05 »
The policy is better explained here: http://img.mil.ca/svcdesk/imit_guide/email/email-clf2/checklist_e.asp

Actually, on closer inspection, that is the exact text of my initial post - but it contains more hyperlinks to a multitude of signature block examples, help desks, sample emails to inform the world of your new email address, etc etc.

It appears that the only difference between units within and outside of Quebec is the order of the bilingual wording (french first inside Quebec, english first outside)
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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2008, 16:16:54 »
ok I get it now. But really if I want to send a dirty email to my wife when I am at sea, I need to include a signature block so she knows which husband is emailing her????

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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2008, 16:20:49 »
Give me a f**king break.  Signature blocks HAVE had a standard that was supposed to be followed and is never enforced.  The only way this will *ever* work is if the signature block is done like they do it at CFLRS for the staff...its automatically populated from your Exchange data fields.

And in the example...a Master Corporal that is a Communications Officer  No MCpl in the CF is a f**kin Officer.   ::)

This just continues to prove to me many people in our country need a really good kick in the junk.

As already pointed out by a few people, what about all the Joe Gallants or whatever same-name exist?  

Seriously there are so many more im-******-portant things to worry about than this crap.

I've said it before...the STUPIDEST thing they ever did with our email was to make the ability to sent "internet" (via the old SIEM groups) email...not everyone needs to send email 'outside' our department...now every f**kstick with an account can fire what he/she wants outside our email system....
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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2008, 16:23:34 »
Need a beer EITS? A wee bit frustrated are we?  >:D

I'm going for one now ...  ;D
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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2008, 16:24:14 »
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ok I get it now. But really if I want to send a dirty email to my wife when I am at sea, I need to include a signature block so she knows which husband is emailing her?

So long as it has the common look and feel.  Perhaps you should make sure your dirty email is bilingual as well.   ;D

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http://img.mil.ca/svcdesk/imit_guide/email/email-clf2/faq_e.asp#q8

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Q: How does the new naming convention work with double or hyphenated first names and last names, for example names like Jean-François Smith-Bélanger or Mary Ann Parker?

A: In cases where the first names or last names are hyphenated, a hyphen can be included e.g. Jean-Francois.Smith-Belanger@forces.gc.ca. In the second case, the names will be placed together, e.g. MaryAnn.Parker@forces.gc.ca.


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Q: Can I choose a name other than my first name for my new email address?

A: The first name selected to create the new email address is the name identified in the general properties tab in Outlook. If the first name listed is not the first name that you most commonly use in your work environment, you may change it accordingly. Please contact your local Service Desk to request changes to the first name that is listed for you in Outlook. Please see “What do I need to do to prepare for the change on 1 November 2008?” to learn how to check your profile in Outlook.


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Q: What happens when two or more people have the same first and last name? or Why do I have a number at the end of my last name on my email address?

A: Due to the number of email addresses within DND/CF, duplicate addresses can occur. The system cannot deliver email messages to the correct recipient with duplicate email addresses. The conventional method for resolving duplicate email addresses is to add a number after the field preceding the “@” sign. Starting with the number 2, numbers are added to duplicates, as they occur during the email address creation process. Numbers 0 and 1 are not used.
Example: John.Smith2@forces.gc.ca

Generally, numbering (i.e. Rob.Clark3@forces.gc.ca) will be assigned on a first-come, first-serve basis.


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Q: Why is this change necessary at DND?

A: All Government of Canada institutions listed in Schedules I, I.1 and II of the Financial Administration Act are mandated to apply the standards defined by the Treasury Board Secretariat. The Department of National Defence is listed under Schedule I.

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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2008, 16:28:35 »
Q: Can I choose a name other than my first name for my new email address?

A: The first name selected to create the new email address is the name identified in the general properties tab in Outlook. If the first name listed is not the first name that you most commonly use in your work environment, you may change it accordingly. Please contact your local Service Desk to request changes to the first name that is listed for you in Outlook. Please see “What do I need to do to prepare for the change on 1 November 2008?” to learn how to check your profile in Outlook.


Excellent!!

I'm sure that the IT guys here will get quite the chuckle tomorrow then when they receive my WO Request to have my named changed to "TwinkleToes" Gibson ... my substantiation will be ...

I don't need no more "guys" links than I already get on behalf of the other Vern. Besides, last time I got a Mess Dinner invite from his Bgde, ... I responded "Yes, I'll come if you'll pay my TD costs to come to your location for the festivities!" They said "no" --- I'm still trying to get over the rejection.
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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2008, 16:29:15 »
John Smiths!!??

LOL.

There's two Vern Gibsons for crying out loud. I get his mail - he gets my mail ... all the time. Even though I outrank him and our rank currently shows ...

This should be good for nothing more than ******* up things even more royally than they already are.

FFS. Enough of the BS already.

Then there is the MCpl in PEI who shares the name with the MP somewhere else in Atlantic Canada ... and the good MCpl was always getting "MilPol" email ... some of which he should never have seen. This ought to be really really good.

Hence why if the person is not in my address book I always look at the properties tab to make sure that this is the right person I want to email.
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« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2008, 16:34:10 »
Need a beer EITS? A wee bit frustrated are we?  >:D

I'm going for one now ...  ;D

This is just dumb, the old standard was never enforced, this one will be "maybe" or "a period of time" and then it will become a free for all again.

Seriously...is this the stuff that is a focus right now??   ::)
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« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2008, 16:35:45 »
Hence why if the person is not in my address book I always look at the properties tab to make sure that this is the right person I want to email.

He and I were both deployed at the same time too (twice actually) ...

We were both Sgt V Gibson@XD ....

Our second initials are different however. But, guess what happens when you open our outlook properties? First name says "Vern" for both of us. No middle initials.

And, as soon as you clicked on the properties and saw "Vern Gibson" listed ... would really look at the other one too just to make sure it's not a "Vern Gibson"?? You would with a "John Smith" perhaps ... but what are the freakin' odds of there being two of me?

(Really there's only ONE of me [you should all be very very thankful for that too!] -- but you know what I mean).
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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2008, 16:36:59 »
Thought yours had your full name on it  ;D
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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2008, 16:38:04 »
Seriously...is this the stuff that is a focus right now??   ::)

It's this or the OPME buddy.

It's 1737 and I'm at my desk still ... why!!??

I'm out. I'm thirsty.  8)
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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2008, 16:39:23 »
It's this or the OPME buddy.

It's 1737 and I'm at my desk still ... why!!??

I'm out. I'm thirsty.  8)

Have a pint for me then  ;)
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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2008, 16:40:08 »
It's this or the OPME buddy.

It's 1737 and I'm at my desk still ... why!!??

I'm out. I'm thirsty.  8)

No I meant the "your signature blocks are wrong" should NOT be the focus for IMG right now..they've got PLENTY of bigger fish to fry on the IT/IM side...
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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2008, 16:41:47 »
It's this or the OPME buddy.

It's 1737 and I'm at my desk still ... why!!??

I'm out. I'm thirsty.  8)

Why must you tease us poor westerners like so Vern, really, that's mean (and we wouldn't have it any other way!)

I've already changed my block, again, to their "sudgested" block. What a friggin crock though, really. Too much time on their hands in Ottawa???
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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2008, 16:42:21 »
Like why it takes sometimes like 10 mins for me to logon while in gagetown.

Intresting thing in that 3 GAG is my home site.
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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2008, 16:42:30 »
Thought yours had your full name on it  ;D

You're right!!

They must have changed it when I moved down to this new office!!  ;D

Explains too why I'm not being inundated with emails like is the norm ... NO ONE knows me by my real name - they all only know me as "Vern" ... they don't have a clue ... I'm incognito!  8)

So, I won't be sending an email to the IT guys tomorrow at all.  >:D
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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2008, 16:43:56 »
Not sure when they changed it but I think its been awhile though.
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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2008, 16:47:47 »
Not sure when they changed it but I think its been awhile though.

It's happened since the last week of June which is when I moved into this office you visited last month. And, the IT guy here now graduated from high school with me ... so he KNOWS my first name. I'm betting he switched it out when he switched out my local/fax number that I requested them to fix in my properties.
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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #33 on: September 16, 2008, 16:55:56 »
Umm Eye as a Leading Seaman I was a Engineering OFFICER of the Watch.

Mars.  My wife is Cuban so we could do bilingual email, just in the the two main languages of North America. Also hispanics often have two last names and they are not hyphenated. How do they suggest to deal with that situation as more hispanics are coming to Canada.

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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #34 on: September 16, 2008, 16:58:52 »
Umm Eye as a Leading Seaman I was a Engineering OFFICER of the Watch.

Mars.  My wife is Cuban so we could do bilingual email, just in the the two main languages of North America. Also hispanics often have two last names and they are not hyphenated. How do they suggest to deal with that situation as more hispanics are coming to Canada.

Cut it any way you want...as a LS, your not an Officer.    ::)

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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #35 on: September 16, 2008, 17:02:28 »
It is a job title. Not a rank. Same with the Mcpl who is a comm officer example.

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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #36 on: September 16, 2008, 17:07:58 »
It is a job title. Not a rank. Same with the Mcpl who is a comm officer example.

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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #37 on: September 16, 2008, 17:11:08 »
I think you need to please reread what I wrote, then actually understand it. Then get back to me.

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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #38 on: September 16, 2008, 17:12:52 »
I think you need to please reread what I wrote, then actually understand it. Then get back to me.

It was a small point, not the purpose of the thread.  Probably hi-jacked this one too long already.
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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #39 on: September 16, 2008, 17:52:20 »
::)

He is NOT an officer; neither are you.

... Probably hi-jacked this one too long already.

Not quite!

I've got to back him up here ...
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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #40 on: September 16, 2008, 18:05:07 »

for French version - see reverse


 ;DThat is the BEST.  Thank you for making me laugh...but why are you still at your desk?
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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #41 on: September 16, 2008, 18:22:49 »
;DThat is the BEST.  Thank you for making me laugh...but why are you still at your desk?

Geez, that post was over an hour ago. I left work, drove 5 minutes to the NBLC and picked up some Caesars, then drove 5 minutes more to home ... and am sitting here enjoying one right now.

 :)

I can be quick when I wanna be.  ;)

But, in all due fairness ... my siggy block should rightfully say:

francais au verse (or something like that).  :-\
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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #42 on: September 16, 2008, 21:12:50 »
Geez, that post was over an hour ago. I left work, drove 5 minutes to the NBLC and picked up some Caesars, then drove 5 minutes more to home ... and am sitting here enjoying one right now.

 :)

I can be quick when I wanna be.  ;)

But, in all due fairness ... my siggy block should rightfully say:

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or french text to follow  ;D
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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #43 on: September 20, 2008, 21:48:35 »
And you are not an NCO...Cpls are NCMs Eye...thought you'd know better than that  ^-^

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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #44 on: September 20, 2008, 22:07:42 »

I think we are getting a little too wrapped up in this.

It is clear it will never work.

Look at the example:  email address; telephone; fax; teletypewriter…

Somewhere, out there, thousands of staff officers and senior enlisted types are befuddled by no where to place their Blackberry contact numbers…..

(I think the last time I touched a teletype was in 1989 – ah the model 40)

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« Reply #45 on: September 21, 2008, 08:55:47 »
IIRC, they are not allowed to use the word "Blackberry" in their signature block.  They have to use mobile device or PDA or some such nonsense so that we are not seen as favoring one brand over another.  ::)
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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #46 on: September 21, 2008, 20:02:38 »
So my signature block should be bilingual, even though if I recieve something in French I'll be hard pressed to understand and respond to it? Makes sense!!

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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #47 on: September 21, 2008, 20:05:09 »
................? Makes sense!!

Come on now.  You should know better.  "Makes sense" usually means something is wrong.  Normal MO for the CF is in the "Doesn't Make Sense" realm.
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« Reply #48 on: August 04, 2011, 22:48:07 »
We were instructed/told to go to this new format months ago.  Our unit Sgt-Maj handed it down and each sect supvr had to make sure/enforce that it was done.   No big deal, it just takes up a lot more space at the bottom of your email and when it has gone to a few other people, as in either replies or forwarding...it adds up to PAGES.  :facepalm:
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Re: Re: Government to go to common IT systems across all departments
« Reply #49 on: August 04, 2011, 23:15:30 »
We were instructed/told to go to this new format months ago.  Our unit Sgt-Maj handed it down and each sect supvr had to make sure/enforce that it was done.   No big deal, it just takes up a lot more space at the bottom of your email and when it has gone to a few other people, as in either replies or forwarding...it adds up to PAGES.  :facepalm:

Pssst...that "new" format was rolled out three years ago.  Take a look at the first post in the thread.   ;D

The thread only recently got sidetracked onto the topic of Shared Services Canada.

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Re: Re: Government to go to common IT systems across all departments
« Reply #50 on: August 05, 2011, 00:16:24 »
We were instructed/told to go to this new format months ago.  Our unit Sgt-Maj handed it down and each sect supvr had to make sure/enforce that it was done.   No big deal, it just takes up a lot more space at the bottom of your email and when it has gone to a few other people, as in either replies or forwarding...it adds up to PAGES.  :facepalm:

Did they bother to tell you that it only required for emails to organizations outside DND ?
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Re: Re: Government to go to common IT systems across all departments
« Reply #51 on: August 05, 2011, 07:27:17 »
Pssst...that "new" format was rolled out three years ago.  Take a look at the first post in the thread.   ;D

The thread only recently got sidetracked onto the topic of Shared Services Canada.

Yeah I know it was 'rolled out' years ago.  All I was trying to say was that in our unit, it was only enforced a few months back.
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Re: Re: Government to go to common IT systems across all departments
« Reply #52 on: August 05, 2011, 07:28:17 »
Did they bother to tell you that it only required for emails to organizations outside DND ?

And no they didn't.  We were only told "this is the only signature allowed".  We all have the same thing now.
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Re: Re: Government to go to common IT systems across all departments
« Reply #53 on: August 06, 2011, 09:44:50 »
And no they didn't.  We were only told "this is the only signature allowed".  We all have the same thing now.

My Unit has the same policy in effect.

No big deal. It contains the same info and it's not like you have to type the sig block in each time. Why not use the one common format in a Unit for all your emails then? After all, you never know when an email of yours will need to be sent to an outside agency either civ or fed.

Take a 1st line Sup Tech at a Unit QM emailing to another Sup tech working in Cust Svcs for example ... officially, it only requires the 4 line simple sig block. What if that Cust Svcs tech then needs to forward that email to PWGSC or a local supplier because it's about something that needs to be contracted or LPOd? The supplier (in Quebec) needs specs on "what" exact item is required in order to supply ... how would they contact you, the end-user, to confirm?

Like it or not, we belong and work for the Feds; it's federal policy (as noted prior) and HAS been federal policy for many years now.

Why would anyone want to build in two different sig blocks and then have to pick and choose between each one every time they sent an email? Why not use the federal standard sig block and cover all the bases at once; as an added bonus, you can then have that default into every email you send saving you from having to make a choice. Seems simple enough to me.

**** If your email body is worded in either english (or french) --- the recipient is going to realize that you've communicated your requirement in either english (or french) as the primary language of that email. It's not rocket science. I've been using it for at least 3 years now (with outside agencies too!!) and never once have I sent out one in english 'body' text with the bilingual sig block and gotten a "french" response back. Likewise when I've sent out the main body text in french --- I'll get the answer back in french despite the bilingual sig block.



**** I'm curious if anyone can provide any data on CF aneurysm rates ... are they above the national average with people stressing over something as minimal mundane as this??
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Re: New policy for DND/CF email addresses
« Reply #54 on: August 08, 2011, 13:18:16 »
I have 3 sig blocks set up -

Reply - Name and Rank. 

Internal - Standard stuff we always did - name, rank, posn, phone and fax.

external - the "new" bilingual and everything spelled out for the world format.

I have the reply and internal auto set to insert so the only one I have to select is the external one for the occasional time I need it. I also only use it on the first email I send.  The back and forth replies get the reply signature signature.

I hate having a one page email chain take up three pages because of all the external signature blocks.

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Re: Re: Government to go to common IT systems across all departments
« Reply #55 on: August 08, 2011, 13:25:51 »
**** I'm curious if anyone can provide any data on CF aneurysm rates ... are they above the national average with people stressing over something as minimal mundane as this??
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