Topic: National" Borders- Trouble at The Cornwall Crossing

[recceguy]

This crap doesn't surprise me, anyone ever read about the Native reserve in Northern Ontario that ran out their 11 OPP officers with a bull dozer?

.. sheshh.

Explain your post please.

[E.R. Campbell]

This crap doesn't surprise me, anyone ever read about the Native reserve in Northern Ontario that ran out their 11 OPP officers with a bull dozer?

.. sheshh.

I recall the (fairly recent) incident. I think we must be careful not to wrap all aboriginal 'protests' in one flag.

Some (many? most?) aboriginal communities have huge socio-economic problems that, eventually, breed despair - not all of those problems are self inflicted wounds. The 'blame' for some of that despair must be laid at the feet of 'us'  the larger, Canadian community that has failed to accept its lawful responsibilities.

The situation near Cornwall is of a different nature and we, Canada, need have no sympathy.

[canada94]

To all whom are interested.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/christie-blatchford/opp-on-remote-reserve-chased-out-by-rock-throwing-mob/article1663733/

The OPP being removed.

[zipperhead_cop]

To all whom are interested.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/christie-blatchford/opp-on-remote-reserve-chased-out-by-rock-throwing-mob/article1663733/

The OPP being removed.

Equal parts pathetic and not surprising.  Every time institutional spinelessness like that occurs, it puts every officers life in danger by causing the insurgents to be more bold. 

[canada94]

Equal parts pathetic and not surprising.  Every time institutional spinelessness like that occurs, it puts every officers life in danger by causing the insurgents to be more bold.

I totally agree, a very touchy subject as well though.

[Grimaldus]

Did the officers not have guns?

[PuckChaser]

I'm sure there's a lot of rules with respect to OPP officers drawing their firearms. You only have so many bullets, and if there's a large crowd it would be better to just talk the situation down and leave, then to have it explode into another Oka. They can come back in force later and arrest the individuals, however, I doubt that'll happen.

[canada94]

I'm sure there's a lot of rules with respect to OPP officers drawing their firearms. You only have so many bullets, and if there's a large crowd it would be better to just talk the situation down and leave, then to have it explode into another Oka. They can come back in force later and arrest the individuals, however, I doubt that'll happen.

Your very right according to my father (RCMP). My mom was in a task force specifically designed to stop smuggling from native reserves. As most of you may know, natives and the RCMP have a very dark history. My mom would find a hit on someone but to arrest them on the reserve they had to inform the head natives of the coming arrest ?.

So when the RCMP moved for the arrest there was no surprise the specific person, was never there.

[zipperhead_cop]

Did the officers not have guns?

The government did not support their police at Ipperwash when officers were being fired at with actual bullets.  Forget about opening fire at a mob.  It comes down to whether or not the officer felt their or someone else's life was in danger, but when your organization won't back you, you second guess yourself and potentially put yourself in harms way. 

[Colin P]

To all whom are interested.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/christie-blatchford/opp-on-remote-reserve-chased-out-by-rock-throwing-mob/article1663733/

The OPP being removed.

They need to go in there with enough force with ROE's/political backing sufficent to make it unwise to confront the police force or not go back and put up a big sign saying:

“Past this point there is no police service and anyone proceeding shall take whatever steps required.”

Pretty quick there will be no teachers, healthcare workers, tradesman etc. Harsh but realistic

[canada94]

They need to go in there with enough force with ROE's/political backing sufficent to make it unwise to confront the police force or not go back and put up a big sign saying:

“Past this point there is no police service and anyone proceeding shall take whatever steps required.”

Pretty quick there will be no teachers, healthcare workers, tradesman etc. Harsh but realistic

Most Native Reserves are policed by "Native peacekeepers". This Reserve is Policed by the OPP which also have a very bad and chaotic history with Natives. I think Native peacekeepers, policing native reserves is the best bet.

I DONT CONDON THE NATIVES MISTREATING AND EJECTION OF THE OPP THOUGH Don't get a wrong message, but i think of it this way; if my police force for say. The Niagara Regional Police was all Natives it would be akward and there would be disputes. As all the OPP on the Island (IM GUESSING) where not of native backround. I do get what your saying though, it seems some Reserves are destroying what we simply give them.

[zipperhead_cop]

Police enforce the law.  If you have an issue with the police, you are clearly in favor of breaking the law.  Unfortunately, when a native group shows that they will become violent, the law no longer applies to them and they get to do whatever they want.  So there is little wonder why they have taken to violence in order to make the pesky law enforcers go away. 

Keep the free stuff coming, just get rid of the fun governors. 

[canada94]

Police enforce the law.  If you have an issue with the police, you are clearly in favor of breaking the law.  Unfortunately, when a native group shows that they will become violent, the law no longer applies to them and they get to do whatever they want.  So there is little wonder why they have taken to violence in order to make the pesky law enforcers go away. 

Keep the free stuff coming, just get rid of the fun governors.

Totally agree; according to article this isn't the only time this has happened. Until the OPP (or other similar circumstances) find a remedy to fix the issue a backbone must become apparent or else precedent will show itself and over and over again the Natives on this Island will do the same thing.

[recceguy]

Cut off all their funding and social programs until they allow the OPP back in. If they don't want government law, they get nothing else from the government.

Of course McSquinty will just bury his head in the sand and pretend it isn't happening. Just like Caledonia and Cornwall.

He'll be the first to catterwall though, after the next election when another party wins and decides to do something constructive.

[zipperhead_cop]

Cut off all their funding and social programs until they allow the OPP back in. If they don't want government law, they get nothing else from the government.

From what I understand, it's even lamer than that.  The location was originally and is supposed to be native policed.  They were not up to the task and abandoned their post.  Anarchy ensued and the OPP went in at the request of the band leaders (who probably were having a hard time stealing the band funds with all the lawlessness) and that is the only reason they were there. 
If the natives don't want the OPP there, well... Via con Dios.  Dump it back to FN policing.  It's their problem.