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Holy fack!  Here's hoping the soldier'll be found quickly and safe.

Missing U.S. Soldier Captured
July 2, 2009, 12:44am
US Forces-Afghanistan Release Number 20090207-01
Link to release (via Facebook)

KABUL, Afghanistan – A U.S. Soldier, who has been missing since June 30th from his assigned unit, is now believed to have been captured by militant forces. We are exhausting all available resources to ascertain his whereabouts and provide for his safe return.

We are not providing any further details at this time in order to protect the welfare of the Soldier.

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Taliban militants captured a US soldier and three Afghan nationals in the eastern Afghan province of Paktika, CBS reports

A Taliban rang the American news agency’s Afghan reporter Sami Yousufzai Thursday and said the militants have arrested the American soldier.

A US military spokesperson in the Afghan capital Kabul confirms that one soldier has been missing in the country for the past two days, the report further say.

“A US serviceman has been missing in Afghanistan since 30th June … it’s believed the service person is being held by insurgents,” said spokesman Cpt. Elizabeth Mathias.

The Taliban commander, who spoke to CBS’s reporter via satellite phone from the an undisclosed location, said a group of militants took hostage the American soldier and his Afghan counterparts near a US military base.

The fate of the captive soldier is up to the Taliban leaders’ decision but the Taliban "would not mind an exchange of prisoners in this case", the anonymous Taliban commander is quoted in the report.

The kidnapping comes at the parallel to a largest-ever US 4,000 Marines offensive in the southern Helmand province, the heartland of the Taliban-led insurgency.

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Re: Missnig USA Soldier Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2009, 08:17:24 »
My prayers go out for the soldiers families.

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U.S. soldier believed captured in Afghanistan
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2009, 11:57:56 »
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U.S. soldier believed captured in Afghanistan
Updated Thu. Jul. 2 2009 10:35 AM ET

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The U.S. military confirmed Thursday that an American soldier is missing and is believed to have been captured by insurgents in eastern Afghanistan.

The news came on the same day that a major U.S. anti-Taliban offensive got underway in southern Afghanistan.

The soldier was captured on Tuesday, Capt. Elizabeth Mathias told The Associated Press.

The soldier was first listed as "duty stats whereabouts unknown," AP reports. It wasn't until Thursday that officials publicly announced the soldier was missing and believed to be captured by insurgents.

According to reports, the soldier had completed a shift at the combat outpost where he was stationed, and walked off with three Afghan counterparts when he finished working.

Few details have been released officially, however.

"They have confirmed they had a soldier captured in the eastern part of Afghanistan," said CTV's South Asia Bureau Chief Janis Mackey Frayer, reporting from Kabul.

"They say they are using all their resources to find him, they want to provide for his safe return, but they are not giving any details, they say, in order to protect the soldiers well-being."

An Afghan police official said the soldier went missing in the Mellakheil area of eastern Paktika province.

A spokesperson for the Taliban told AP he could not confirm that the soldier was being held by the insurgent group's forces, Mackey Frayer said.

"We have to bear in mind the insurgent groups are disparate, wide ranging and not always affiliated with each other. They are widespread in all parts of the country so there is no guaranteed flow of communication between any of these groups," she told CTV's Canada AM.

Operation "Strike of the Sword"

The U.S. military said the missing soldier was not involved in the major operation that began Thursday in southern Afghanistan.

As operation "Strike of the Sword," got underway, thousands of U.S. Marines poured out of helicopters and armoured vehicles into Taliban strongholds.

The campaign -- the first under U.S. President Barack Obama's strategy to stabilize the country -- began under cover of darkness at about 1 a.m. local time in Helmand province.

The goal is to eradicate insurgents from the region before the presidential election scheduled for Aug. 20.

It was described as the largest Marine offensive since troops stormed Fallujah, Iraq in 2004.

Close to 4,000 newly-arrived Marines and 650 Afghan forces are taking part in the offensive.

The operation follows smaller but similar initiatives last week by British forces in Helmand and Kandahar province.

"Where we go we will stay, and where we stay, we will hold, build and work toward transition of all security responsibilities to Afghan forces," Marine Corps Brig. Gen. Larry Nicholson said in a statement.

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Haqqani Bad Guys Claim to Hold USA Soldier
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2009, 18:28:15 »
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.... Mullah Sangeen Zadran, a senior lieutenant to Sirajuddin Haqqani who controls Paktika province, took credit for capturing the US soldier and said his fate is in the hands of Sirajuddin and the Taliban leadership.

"The case will be referred to Sirajuddin Haqqani and other Taliban top leadership," Sangeen told CBS News. "They have to decide the future of the US soldier, but we would not mind a prisoner exchange in this case."

Led by the respected mujahedeen commander Jalaluddin Haqqani and his son Siraj, the network is well-organized in both Afghanistan and Pakistan. The Haqqani Network has been behind some of the most deadly attacks inside Afghanistan, and it receives direct support from elements within Pakistan's Inter-Service Intelligence agency and military ....

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Afghan rebels capture US soldier - BBC news
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2009, 03:16:17 »
Afghan rebels capture US soldier


-About 4,000 US and 650 Afghan troops deployed to Helmand
 river valley
-Initial operations focused on villages of Nawa and Garmsir near
 the provincial capital Lashkar Gah
-British operation recently recaptured the village of Babaji from
 the Taliban to the north of the region


A US soldier has been captured by militants in eastern Afghanistan, the US military
has said. The soldier is believed to be the first seized in either Iraq or Afghanistan
for at least two years.

News of the capture came as US and Afghan forces began a major operation against
Taliban forces in southern Helmand province. One of the two latest British deaths was
that of the highest-ranking Army officer to be killed since 1982.

The US military says the aim of the offensive is to provide security ahead of presidential
elections this August. Helmand has seen the worst violence anywhere in Afghanistan,
and military commanders say they need to break what they call the stalemate in the
south of the country, says the BBC's Martin Patience in the Afghan capital, Kabul. The
captured soldier was not involved in the operation, codenamed Khanjar, or Strike of
the Sword.

A hardline Taliban faction called Haqqani said it had the soldier, but this has not been
confirmed by the main Taliban spokesman. The army was using all its resources to find
the missing serviceman, who was taken on Tuesday, spokeswoman Capt Elizabeth Mathias
said.

AFP news agency said a commander of Haqqani, named only as Bahram, said the soldier
was captured along with three Afghans in the Yousuf Khail district of Paktika province. The
commander said the soldier had been taken to "a safe place". Another Haqqani commander,
Mullah Sangeen, told Reuters the soldier would be held until Taliban fighters detained by the
US were released. The BBC's security correspondent Frank Gardner says the circumstances
of this capture are strange and potentially very embarrassing for the Pentagon. The Taliban
are claiming he was drunk when they caught him, he says.

There is no indication he became separated during a firefight - rather that he wandered off
out of his base with the three Afghans, our correspondent adds.


'Massive force'

The US military says about 4,000 marines as well as 650 Afghan troops - supported by Nato
planes - are involved in the Helmand operation. Marines spokesman Brig Gen Larry Nicholson
said the operation was different from previous ones because of the "massive size of the force"
and its speed.

A Taliban spokesman said the group would resist in various ways and that there would be
no permanent US victory.

New strategy

It is the first such large-scale operation since US President Barack Obama authorised the
deployment of 21,000 extra US troops to Afghanistan, as part of a new strategy for winning
the conflict. Many of those troops are being redeployed from operations in Iraq.

The operation began when units moved into the Helmand River valley in the early hours of
Thursday. Helicopters and heavy transport vehicles carried out the advance, with Nato planes
providing air cover. Our correspondent in Kabul says the idea is that they will move into towns
and villages which are under Taliban control.

With the fresh US deployments, military commanders say they are confident that they will make
"significant" gains this summer, even if, as our correspondent says, a decisive victory is unlikely.

Air operations

UK-led forces in Helmand launched their own operation to combat the Taliban insurgency last week,
in what the UK's Ministry of Defence described as one of the largest air operations in modern times.
Thousands of British forces under Nato command have been fighting the Taliban in Helmand since
2006, but there has been criticism that they have been overstretched and under-resourced.

One of two British soldiers killed in an explosion in Helmand province on Wednesday was the highest-
ranking Army officer to die since the Falklands war of 1982, the Ministry of Defence said. He was
named at Lt Col Rupert Thorneloe, 39, the commanding officer of the 1st Battalion Welsh Guards.
Trooper Joshua Hammond, 18, also died, and six others injured.

General Sir Richard Dannatt, Chief of the General Staff, said Lt Col Thornloe was "an outstanding
commanding officer" and his death was a "devastating blow". He added: "At the leading edge of his
generation, his loss will be felt deeply not only by his family but also by his soldiers and others,
who like me, had the privilege to serve with him."

The two men were killed when a roadside bomb exploded under their Viking armoured vehicle.
Lt Col Thornloe had joined a supply convoy to see his men deployed on operation Panther's Claw,
to oust the Taliban from the area around Lashkar Gah.

The BBC's defence correspondent Caroline Wyatt says questions will be asked about why such a high-
ranking officer was travelling a Viking vehicle. They are supposed to be restricted to lower-risk areas,
and are due to be replaced in Afghanistan next year by the more heavily armoured 'Warthog' vehicle.
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Re: Missing USA Soldier Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2009, 09:42:09 »
Let us hope he is returned safely.......

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Re: Missing USA Soldier Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2009, 10:44:01 »
Hoping and praying he gets out alive and well...
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Taliban confirms holding soldier...
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2009, 16:42:12 »
...according to this statement posted to a jihadi forum:
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.... It is to be said that five days ago, an American soldier who had come out of his garrison named Malakh, was captured by Mujahideen, in Yousaf Khel district of Pakitanka province. He is still with Mujahideen.

A .pdf of the statement (in English and Arabic) is also attached in case you don't want to/can't link to a terrorist web page.
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Taliban commanders making demands?
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2009, 09:29:06 »
This from Reuters:
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A Taliban commander in southeastern Afghanistan said on Thursday that a missing U.S. soldier was being held unharmed by insurgents, but warned he would be killed if efforts were made to find him .... Taliban commander Mawlavi Sangin said the group's leadership council would decide the soldier's fate, but he accused the U.S. military of harassing and arresting Afghans in Paktika and neighboring Ghazni province.  "They have put pressure on the people in these two provinces and if that does not stop we will kill him," Sangin, the Taliban commander for Paktika province, told a Reuters reporter by telephone from an undisclosed area ....

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A spokesman for a Taliban commander says a captured U.S. soldier will be executed unless the U.S. military stops operations in two districts of southeastern Afghanistan.  The Taliban said last week they were holding the soldier. The U.S. military earlier said he went missing and may be in enemy hands.  Abdullah Jalali, spokesman for Taliban commander Mawlavi Sangin, told The Associated Press on Thursday the soldier was healthy but threatened to kill him unless the U.S. stops airstrikes in Ghazni province's Giro district and Paktika province's Khoshamand district.  Jalali says Giro has been heavily bombed by international forces but did not otherwise explain why they chose those areas ....
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Re: Missing USA Soldier Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2009, 22:09:01 »
Not a good situation being in the hands of an enemy that isnt known for compassion or observing the Geneva Convention. This idiot went over the wall without his weapon and body armor. Makes me wonder if he was sober or possibly a deserter.

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Taliban video shows captured US Soldier
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2009, 01:11:49 »
What a crappy situation for him to be in.   :o

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By PAMELA HESS and LOLITA BALDOR, Associated Press Writers Pamela Hess And Lolita Baldor, Associated Press Writers – 2 hrs 17 mins ago
WASHINGTON – The American soldier who went missing June 30 from his base in eastern Afghanistan and was later confirmed to have been captured, appeared on a video posted Saturday to a Web site by the Taliban.

Two U.S. defense officials confirmed to The Associated Press that the man in the video is the captured soldier. The video provides the first glimpse the public has had of the missing soldier.

The soldier is shown in the 28-minute video with his head shaved and the start of a beard. He is sitting and dressed in a nondescript, gray outfit. Early in the video one of his captors holds the soldier's dog tag up to the camera. His name and ID number are clearly visible. He is shown eating at one point and sitting cross-legged.

The soldier, whose identity has not yet been released by the Pentagon pending notification of members of Congress and the soldier's family, says his name, age and hometown on the video, which was released Saturday on a Web site pointed out by the Taliban.

The soldier said the date is July 14. He says he was captured when he lagged behind on a patrol.

He is interviewed in English by his captors, and he is asked his views on the war, which he calls extremely hard, his desire to learn more about Islam and the morale of American soldiers, which he said was low.

Asked how he was doing, the soldier said on the video:

"Well I'm scared, scared I won't be able to go home. It is very unnerving to be a prisoner."

He begins to answer questions in a matter-of-fact and sober voice, occasionally facing the camera, looking down and sometimes looking to the questioner on his left.

He later chokes up when discussing his family and his hope to marry his girlfriend.

"I have my girlfriend, who is hoping to marry," he said. "I have a very, very good family that I love back home in America. And I miss them every day when I'm gone. I miss them and I'm afraid that I might not ever see them again and that I'll never be able to tell them that I love them again and I'll never be able to hug them."

He is also prompted by his interrogators to give a message to the American people.

"To my fellow Americans who have loved ones over here, who know what it's like to miss them, you have the power to make our government bring them home," he said. "Please, please bring us home so that we can be back where we belong and not over here, wasting our time and our lives and our precious life that we could be using back in our own country. Please bring us home. It is America and American people who have that power."

The video is not a continuous recording — it appears to stop and start during the questioning.

It is unclear from the video whether the July 14 date is authentic. The soldier says that he heard that a Chinook helicopter carrying 37 NATO troops had been shot down over Helmand. A helicopter was shot down in southern Afghanistan on July 14, but it was carrying civilians on a reported humanitarian mission for NATO forces. All six Ukrainian passengers died in the crash, and a child on the ground was killed.

On July 2, the U.S. military said an American soldier had disappeared after walking off his base in eastern Afghanistan with three Afghan counterparts and was believed to have been taken prisoner. A U.S. defense official said the soldier was noticed missing during a routine check of the unit on June 30 and was first listed as "duty status whereabouts unknown."

Details of such incidents are routinely held very tightly by the military as it works to retrieve a missing or captured soldier without giving away any information to captors.

But Afghan Police Gen. Nabi Mullakheil said the soldier went missing in eastern Paktika province near the border with Pakistan from an American base. The region is known to be Taliban-infested.

The most important insurgent group operating in that area is known as Haqqani network and is led by warlord Siraj Haqqani, whom the U.S. has accused of masterminding beheadings and suicide bombings including the July 2008 attack on the Indian Embassy in Kabul that killed some 60 people. The Haqqani group also was linked to an assassination attempt on Afghan president Hamid Karzai early last year.

On Saturday, a U.S. military official in Kabul, Col. Greg Julian, said the U.S. was "still doing everything we can to return him safely."

Julian said U.S. troops had distributed two flyers in the area where the soldier disappeared. One of them asked for information on the missing soldier and offered a $25,000 reward for his return. The other said "please return our soldier safely" or "we will hunt you," according to Julian.

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Associated Press writers Robert H. Reid in Kabul and Christine Simmons in Washington contributed to this report.
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Re: Missing USA Soldier Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2009, 02:58:15 »
Wow.  That video is brutal. :-\  Quite the morale crusher.  I don't presume to know what it would be like to be captive to the Taliban, but some of the stuff....
He must really fear for his life. 
There seems to be some weirdness about the circumstances of how he was captured?  Sounds like he wasn't exactly forcefully taken from his area?   ???
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Re: Missing USA Soldier Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2009, 05:48:56 »
Jeebus H!

I am not even going to open that video.

How he got captured will come out in the wash, so I won't speculate, but I can sadly say he's as good as gone if not already. That bugs me a lot.

Although I never served in Afghanistan, the same EN mentality of the treatment of us 'infidel occupiers' (if caught) in Iraq was equal.

During my time in Baggers, I would sometimes wonder what would happen to any of us if we fell into the hands of the EN, and I remember one occasion a US soldier was caught not far from us (near the Karadah Peninsula - we were at Karhk) and ended up in a shalllow grave sometime later.

I hope somehow this bloke gets out of this mess, and my thoughts are with his traumatised family back in the USA.

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Re: Missing USA Soldier Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2009, 07:30:58 »
The soldier looked to me like he had converted to islam. A few Russian POW's escaped death by converting. The fact that he is still alive would indicate to me that the jihadists may be more interested in a trade. If he gets home he has alot of explaining to do.

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Re: Missing USA Soldier Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2009, 08:25:10 »
The soldier looked to me like he had converted to islam. A few Russian POW's escaped death by converting. The fact that he is still alive would indicate to me that the jihadists may be more interested in a trade. If he gets home he has alot of explaining to do.

WTF...short hair and PJs = converted to Islam....what do you have a crystal ball.

One thing is clear, none of us are privy to what happened here and why.  Lets hope he makes it out no matter what....but things do not look good.

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Re: Missing USA Soldier Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2009, 15:27:48 »
Awww ... watching that was too sad. :'(

Dear God, I hope he's able to get out of there.

T6, I think he would have been scripted by the Taliban--who knows what unimaginable violent threat (drugs?) they use to hold people in thralldom during these videos.

I won't speculate further; just to say he looks like a lost, scared, young man to me--not a convert.

How terrible for his loved ones.

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Re: Missing USA Soldier Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2009, 18:36:01 »
I am not saying that PFC Bergdahl has gone over to the other side. Soldiers are supposed to try and stay alive if captured and if he has to convert to do that then thats what you do.

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Re: Missing USA Soldier Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2009, 00:03:48 »
However, the reports keep saying he left his post without his weapon or his body armour with some dudes.  There is definitely an air of him being a willing participant of no longer being with his unit.  Could anyone be so thick as to accept an invitation to pray at a local mosque?
There's a big piece of this puzzle missing.   ???
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Re: Missing USA Soldier Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2009, 07:50:20 »
I have to agree with zipperhead_cop and tomahawk6.  Something doesn't seem right here.  Unless this guy has Stockholm Syndrome, he seems a little too calm? resigned? in the video.
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Re: Missing USA Soldier Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2009, 08:58:19 »
Captured soldier, 23-year-old private
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HAILEY, Idaho - Friends and family of an American soldier who was captured in Afghanistan prayed for his safe return Sunday, shaken by the image of the frightened young private in a Taliban video posted online.

Pfc. Bowe R. Bergdahl, 23, was serving with an Alaska-based infantry regiment earlier this month when he vanished, just five months after arriving in Afghanistan. He was serving at a base near the border with Pakistan in an area known to be a Taliban stronghold.

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Bergdahl's family issued a statement asking people to keep the soldier in their thoughts and prayers, but told The Associated Press that the family was requesting media respect their privacy.

Neighbours and others in the community have known for weeks that Bergdahl had been captured, but said the family urged them not to talk about the kidnapping out of fear that publicity would compromise his safety. Idaho Gov. C.L. "Butch" Otter told the AP that he had been working to keep the soldier's name quiet until it was officially released.

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In the 28-minute video, Bergdahl said he was "scared I won't be able to go home." He said he was lagging behind a patrol when he was captured, which conflicts with earlier military accounts that indicated he walked off the base with three Afghans.

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The circumstances of Bergdahl's capture weren't clear.

On July 2, two U.S. officials told the AP the soldier had "just walked off" his base with three Afghans after his shift. The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on the record.

On July 6, the Taliban claimed on their Web site that five days earlier "a drunken American soldier had come out of his garrison" and was captured by mujahedeen.

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Re: Missing USA Soldier Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2009, 11:39:56 »
I have to agree with zipperhead_cop and tomahawk6.  Something doesn't seem right here.  Unless this guy has Stockholm Syndrome, he seems a little too calm? resigned? in the video.

You might be right Moe, but I sure wouldn't want to be in that soldier's shoes boots ...

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Re: Missing USA Soldier Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2009, 12:07:44 »
I sure wouldn't want to be in that soldier's shoes boots ...

Neither would I, either way this turns out.
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Re: Missing USA Soldier Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2009, 13:25:42 »
I have to agree with zipperhead_cop and tomahawk6.  Something doesn't seem right here.  Unless this guy has Stockholm Syndrome, he seems a little too calm? resigned? in the video.

Or it could be deliberate.  Some American flyers held PoW in North Vietnam and  crewmembers of the USS Pueblo being held by the North Koreans deliberately assumed wooden, artificial, and out of character behaviors when "confessing" before the cameras to mollify their captors while conveying the message that they were being held under duress.   

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Re: Missing USA Soldier Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2009, 13:41:15 »
Or it could be deliberate.  Some American flyers held PoW in North Vietnam and  crewmembers of the USS Pueblo being held by the North Koreans deliberately assumed wooden, artificial, and out of character behaviors when "confessing" before the cameras to mollify their captors while conveying the message that they were being held under duress.

True enough.  Time will tell, I guess.  What's interesting in the article I posted is the varying stories regarding how he was captured.
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Re: Missing USA Soldier Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2009, 14:38:43 »
Here are my thoughts:

It seems to me, that the captured solider is saying what he has been told to say. 

This solider has been put through quite a lot, so that those who captured him could get him to this point (where he is saying what they want him to say).   

In the video, the solider says he is a “Christian”, that doesn’t sound like he has converted to Islam to me and the solider having a new hair cut and clothes means nothing, other than that is likely what he was told to wear. 

The solider wants to get back home and he is simply doing what he needs to (including saying, eating, wearing etc… what he has been told to do/say/wear), so as to hopefully increase his chances of returning home.

I’m sure there are many pieces of the puzzle missing, most pieces of which are unlikely to ever become known to the general population. 

For all we know, and this is just a possible theory, this solider could have been drugged and/or had something else done to him to cause disorientation before he became separated from his unit and that is how they were able to get him to become separated… ... ... anything is possible.

In the video, they show the solider eating and drinking.  This may have been the only descent meal he had been given since his capture and I wouldn’t be surprised if the meal had been drugged and/or was part of the tactics being used.

The new clothing the solider is wearing is rather loose fitting.  I wonder if the loose clothing the solider has been told to wear is hiding his body's true state.   

I'm not sure I understand the point of the Taliban capturing a U.S. soldier… just what do they think this will get from this; if anything, the Taliban will just make it worse for themselves for having stirred up such a hornets’ nest.  To the best of my knowledge, the U.S. does not negotiate with terrorists, so I can’t see this getting the Taliban anywhere or anything they say they want in their demands.  I wouldn't be surprised if the Taliban capturing this U.S. solider was part of a much larger Taliban plan at play.  It just doesn’t make any sort of logically sense to ‘poke the bear’ by capturing a U.S. solider.   

Just my 2 cents.  :2c:

My heart and prayers go out to this solider and his loves ones.  I can’t imagine what a difficult time this must be for everyone involved.
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Re: Missing USA Soldier Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #25 on: July 20, 2009, 14:51:08 »
....and it could so easily be a Canadian. I hope this guy had some form of training for this.

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Re: Missing USA Soldier Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #26 on: July 20, 2009, 14:57:09 »
Well you have to eat something, and they aren't going to bring him burger king. You would eat whatever they eat, hell I'd convert for some food and tea/water. If things were looking real bad, hell I'd smoke some drugs too!

As for the clothes, well have you seen what people in that part of the world wear? I was driving in a major Canadian city on Friday, and even there some people dress in "man jammies" while they drive their Toyota corollas down the highway...it's a culture thing, and not a for sure that he has been harmed. I'd wear them if I got to live!
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Re: Missing USA Soldier Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #27 on: July 20, 2009, 15:33:37 »
...it's a culture thing, and not a for sure that he has been harmed. I'd wear them if I got to live!
Agreed. 

Nothing can be for sure in this sort of situation.

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Re: Missing USA Soldier Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #28 on: July 20, 2009, 23:05:25 »
While giving the soldier the benefit of the doubt its pretty clear that his actions qualify as an AWOL and quite possibly desertion. Whether this is the case we will only know if he is returned to US control. Ralph Peters comments on FOX were a bit over the top perhaps.

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Re: Missing USA Soldier Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2009, 09:31:17 »
I don’t agree with what the captured solider is doing and saying in the video, but none the less, I can see the solider doing and saying that what he thinks will increase his chances of getting back home. 

The solider 'might' be under the influence of drugs and/or brainwashing and/or worse, so there is a possibility that the soldier's brain may not be 'operational' and that he may not be responsible for that which he is saying and doing because he may not have the use reason or his free will… anything is possible.

I'm trying to give the solider the benefit of doubt, until proven, without a doubt, otherwise.  I certainly hope the solider did not go AWOL, that would be terrible.   
 
 
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Re: Missing USA Soldier Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #30 on: July 21, 2009, 10:25:40 »


I'm not sure I understand the point of the Taliban capturing a U.S. soldier… just what do they think this will get from this; if anything, the Taliban will just make it worse for themselves for having stirred up such a hornets’ nest.  To the best of my knowledge, the U.S. does not negotiate with terrorists, so I can’t see this getting the Taliban anywhere or anything they say they want in their demands.  I wouldn't be surprised if the Taliban capturing this U.S. solider was part of a much larger Taliban plan at play.  It just doesn’t make any sort of logically

It's of massive propaganda value for the Taliban both in their part of the world, and ours. The Taliban look more powerful if they're able to capture a US soldier. Particularly since they make it seem like the overpowered an American soldier on patrol and they weren't able to stop it. Then you get all the news agency's in the Western world playing it, and goofs like Ralph Peters telling his own Country "If he did go AWOL, I hope they save us the time and legal costs."

For nations where there is doubt or disdain for the war, things like this ad to their fuel.

You guys can judge this guys conduct after capture all you want. You're obviously braver then I would be faced with dudes who might cut my head off with a rusty knife and post in on the internet for my wife and kids to see.




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Re: Missing USA Soldier Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #31 on: July 21, 2009, 11:28:34 »
For those who are interested... I thought this was an interesting read.

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The Code of Conduct

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http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/army_board_study_guide_topics/code_of_conduct/the-code-of-conduct.shtml

 
On the same web page, there is a box to the left, just below where it lists the code of conduct.  In this box, there are options for the code of conduct in more detail, including a pdf download for SERE training.
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Re: Missing USA Soldier Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #32 on: July 21, 2009, 11:40:24 »
Title: Family of captured soldier wants privacy in ordeal

By: JOHN MILLER, AP
 
Link: http://news.aol.com/article/family-of-captured-soldier-wants-privacy/577782?cid=12

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HAILEY, Idaho -The Pentagon said Monday that troops are "sparing no effort" to find an American soldier captured by the Taliban as his family pleaded for privacy and residents in his hometown tied yellow ribbons on trees along Main Street in a show of solidarity.

The actions came two days after the Taliban released a video of Pfc. Bowe R. Bergdahl in captivity expressing his fear that he would never see or hug his family again. The footage showed Bergdahl with his head shaved, eating a meal and sitting cross-legged on what appeared to be a bunk.

"We've been overwhelmed with the outpouring of support and concern towards Bowe and our family," the family said in a statement read by Blaine County Sheriff Walt Femling. "As you know, the situation is extremely difficult for everyone involved. We'd like to remind all of you our sole focus is seeing our beloved son Bowe safely home."

Defense Secretary Robert Gates condemned the video Monday, saying he was disgusted by the exploitation of a prisoner. "Our commanders are sparing no effort to find this young soldier," Gates said at a Pentagon news conference.

Bergdahl, 23, grew up just outside Hailey, a central Idaho resort town where residents said he was home-schooled, danced ballet and rode his bike everywhere in town. They also called him adventurous and said he joined the Army at least in part because he wanted to learn more about the world. He had been stationed at Fort Richardson, Alaska.

Bergdahl's parents, Bob and Jani Bergdahl, have refused requests to be interviewed, and the sheriff declined to answer personal questions about Bergdahl in a news conference that was televised nationally from this town of 7,000 people.
And few in town would speak openly about Bergdahl because of fears that any remarks might hurt the possibility of his safe return. The town learned about the capture in early July but kept quiet about the ordeal.

The circumstances of Bergdahl's capture on June 30 weren't clear.

On July 2, two U.S. officials told The Associated Press the soldier had "just walked off" his base with three Afghans after his shift. The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on the record.

On July 6, the Taliban claimed on their Web site that five days earlier "a drunken American soldier had come out of his garrison" and was captured by mujahedeen.

Details of such incidents are routinely held very tightly by the military as it works to retrieve a missing or captured soldier without giving away any information to captors.

Officials with U.S. Central Command in Tampa, Fla., declined to give additional details of his capture.

President Barack Obama reacted to the news of the capture in an interview excerpt played on MSNBC Monday night.

"Our young men and women who are serving in the armed forces do an extraordinary job," he told NBC's "Today" program for a segment to be broadcast Tuesday. "They're put in harm's way each and every day, especially those deployed in Afghanistan and Iraq. And so seeing something like this, it makes you think about their families, it makes you think about the young man. We are hopeful that it will have a good ending."

Bergdahl's family learned of his capture when a member of the Idaho National Guard came to their home in early July. Over the weekend of July 4, four service members who specialize in hostage events visited and told them what their son might be experiencing in captivity as well as what the military was doing to have him released.

Military officials in Afghanistan refused a request from the AP to interview fellow soldiers from Bergdahl's Army unit. Spokesman Navy Lt. Robert Carr in Kabul said the military was controlling the flow of information so nothing could be used against the other American forces or Bergdahl.

Not all family members of captured soldiers stay quiet about such situations.  Keith Maupin, whose son was captured in Iraq in 2004, was vocal during the four years his 20-year-old son Pfc. Matt Maupin was missing before his body was found.

"I know if they stay quiet, they're not going to get any information," Maupin told the AP from his home in Ohio. "They've got to stay on top of it."

Some say the discretion exhibited in Hailey fits with the region's history of respecting the privacy of part-time celebrity visitors and residents such as Arnold Schwarzenegger, Tom Hanks, Bruce Willis and Demi Moore "It's just the way we are," said Hailey Chamber of Commerce Director Jim Spinelli.
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Re: Missing USA Soldier Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #33 on: July 21, 2009, 11:52:02 »
It's of massive propaganda value for the Taliban both in their part of the world, and ours. The Taliban look more powerful if they're able to capture a US soldier. Particularly since they make it seem like the overpowered an American soldier on patrol and they weren't able to stop it. Then you get all the news agency's in the Western world playing it, and goofs like Ralph Peters telling his own Country "If he did go AWOL, I hope they save us the time and legal costs."

Pil,

I think the propaganda value for the type of videos you refer to (and in this case, please God, don't let this be the fate of this young soldier) can work both ways--the inherent violence in some of these videos and the taliban and al-Qaeda total lack of respect for the humane treatment of prisoners of war when placed in the public domain fuels public anger against the Taliban and the violent oppression they represent. So, for some people it justifies all the reasons ISAF is in Afghanistan fighting the insurgency.

So I might respectfully agree with you that there is some propaganda value in it but not so much as the enemy may think.

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Re: Missing USA Soldier Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #34 on: July 21, 2009, 15:08:52 »
Pil,

I think the propaganda value for the type of videos you refer to (and in this case, please God, don't let this be the fate of this young soldier) can work both ways--the inherent violence in some of these videos and the taliban and al-Qaeda total lack of respect for the humane treatment of prisoners of war when placed in the public domain fuels public anger against the Taliban and the violent oppression they represent. So, for some people it justifies all the reasons ISAF is in Afghanistan fighting the insurgency.

So I might respectfully agree with you that there is some propaganda value in it but not so much as the enemy may think.

No doubt you're correct.  I think all propaganda is a double edged sword, whichever side is distributing it.

I also have no doubt that they will exploit recent US scandals regarding treatment of prisoners, and no doubt will some of the left.
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« Reply #35 on: July 23, 2009, 13:16:04 »
http://www.politicususa.com/en/FNC-Bergdahl
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Peters said that if he is a deserter, the Taliban should kill him, “I want to be clear. If, when the facts are in, we find out that through some convoluted chain of events, he really was captured by the Taliban, I’m with him. But, if he walked away from his post and his buddies in wartime, I don’t care how hard it sounds, as far as I’m concerned, the Taliban can save us a lot of legal hassles and legal bills.”

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Re: Missing USA Soldier Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #36 on: July 23, 2009, 16:23:58 »
Is this guy an actual LT Col?

He's a retired Lt Col.

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Re: Missing USA Soldier Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #37 on: July 24, 2009, 10:43:04 »
Man if my colonel was a prick like that peters guy I'd consider joining the other side too.
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Re: Missing USA Soldier Reported Captured in AFG
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Queries rise on soldier's kidnapping
Pentagon stays mum on how he left post
By Shaun Waterman THE WASHINGTON TIMES | Friday, July 24, 2009

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A U.S. soldier kidnapped by the Taliban is at the center of an escalating controversy about how he came to be captured - an event that could be a propaganda bonanza for the insurgents.

The Pentagon declined to comment on allegations that Pfc. Bowe R. Bergdahl left his post unarmed on June 30 before his capture in eastern Afghanistan.

"All I can tell you is, the conditions surrounding his capture are under investigation," spokesman Lt. Col. Mark Wright told The Washington Times. "Its not wise at this point to reach conclusions prior to the investigation being completed."

Military blogger Matthew Burden, who runs the BlackFive Web site, told The Times that the soldier "walked off [his base] with a water bottle and [a military ration pack] on some kind of he-man expedition." He said he received this information from a contact involved in the massive manhunt the military has launched and confirmed it with two other sources.

Fox News military analyst retired Lt. Col. Ralph Peters sparked a firestorm of controversy last weekend when he called Pfc. Bergdahl a "deserter," adding that if that were the case, "the Taliban can save us a lot of legal hassles and legal bills" by killing him.

Outraged lawmakers of both parties wrote to Fox News demanding an apology for the comments. The 23 House members, all U.S. military veterans, wrote that they watched the comments "with incredulity and disgust," adding that Mr. Peters view was "was repulsive and deserves to be repudiated by your news organization."

The Republican signatories include Reps. Darrell Issa and Duncan Hunter, both from California.

Mr. Peters told The Times Thursday that he regretted his remarks.

"I unquestionably over-spoke in the heat of the moment," he said. "I hope Pfc. Bergdahl comes home safely for the sake of his family, and so he can face military judicial proceedings."

Mr. Peters added that he had been angered by what he called the news medias "lionization" of Pfc. Bergdahl. "Nothing will make me back down from my conviction that Pfc. Bergdahl does not deserve to be made a hero."

A Fox News spokeswoman, who asked that her name not be used, said the network had not received the letter.

Analysts say the controversy underlines the degree to which the soldiers fate is becoming a media spectacle, which could have profound implications for the way U.S.-led military operations are perceived in Afghanistan and around the world.

"Terrorism has always been theater," said former FBI hostage negotiator Chris Voss.

Pfc. Bergdahl appeared, earlier this week, in a video released by his Taliban captors, saying he was their guest and being well-treated. He said Americans were being misinformed by their leaders about the situation in Afghanistan and urged them to demand the withdrawal of the U.S. military.

Mr. Voss, who now works for Insite, a New York-based security consulting firm, said the audience for the video was "people in the region and beyond trying to decide whose side theyre on" in the fighting between Taliban insurgents and the U.S.-led international coalition.

"Already you are seeing people saying this guy is being better treated than [U.S.-held] detainees at Guantanamo Bay or Abu Ghraib ... If the U.S. government remains silent, those observations will stand."

Mr. Voss said the video was "very well orchestrated ... they are feeding him, there is nothing threatening visible."

"They have put a lot of thought into this," he added, saying the Taliban propaganda effort was "increasingly sophisticated, they are learning."

"The Taliban do information operations better than anyone, certainly better than us," said Mr. Burden. Meanwhile, the U.S. "military is focused on one thing and that is getting him back."
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Re: Missing USA Soldier Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #39 on: July 27, 2009, 01:03:48 »
"The Taliban do information operations better than anyone, certainly better than us," said Mr. Burden.

Considering that TF 3-08 had an IO and then got rid of him because "we don't need that crap" (sic) I think my kids kindergarten teacher could do a better job than we were doing.  I didn't see the Americans burning up the coordination either (although I can only speak for RC(S) )  Why coordinate counter insurgency efforts when there are more important things, like careers and Exel spread sheets to worry about? 
For as often as the phrase "teamwork" gets tossed around, there are a godawful lot of individuals and individual organizations in our little sandbox war. 

That being said, that was a pretty slick video.  I would hazard a guess that Hezbollah has been coaching them?
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Re: Missing USA Soldier Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #40 on: July 30, 2009, 12:26:47 »
.... that was a pretty slick video.  I would hazard a guess that Hezbollah has been coaching them?

Not quite - more like Al Qaeda:
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.... Taliban’s re-branding project began by sending a start up team as interns to Al Qaeda’s video production unit Al Sahab in 2006 and very soon afterwards in early 2007 their own production standards visibly improved ....

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.... Some of the Taliban videos are produced by a group that calls itself As-Sahab Media, which has put out videos of al-Qaida leaders such as Ayman al-Zawahiri. These videos feature computer graphics -- and Arabic subtitles ....

The latest - Taliban whine "how can you complain about our 'journalistic' video of only one prisoner when you have Abu Ghraib?":
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.... Today when the Mujahideen have captured their only soldier and released his interview in accordance with all principles of journalism, the Americans consider this as an act of violation of human rights and disrespect to the prisoner! The Mujahideen of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan being armed with all noble Afghan traditions and Islamic norms and principles will not have a conduct with the prisoner like the Americans had with prisoners or they are having but this prisoner will enjoy all the rights, that the great and sacred religion of Islam bestows on prisoners ....
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« Reply #41 on: June 30, 2010, 09:24:25 »
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ISAF officials today marked the one-year anniversary of the disappearance of Spc. Bowe Bergdahl, declared missing after he didn't show up for a unit roll call last summer. By mid-July commanders knew where he was; a Taliban propaganda video showed the young soldier in their captivity.

Bergdahl, a member of the 1st Battalion, 501st Infantry Regiment, is the only known U.S. servicemember currently being held by enemy fighters. Taliban commanders released two more videos featuring the soldier from Idaho in December 2009 and April 2010, demanding the release of prisoners at Naval Station Guantanamo Bay in exchange for his freedom.

But since then no news has surfaced about the soldier or his condition ....

More in ISAF statement and the Idaho Mountain Express.
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Re: Missing USA Soldier Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #42 on: June 30, 2010, 20:03:42 »
He is a deserter. The taliban dont hold prisoners very long and Bergdahl is still alive.

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Re: Missing USA Soldier Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #43 on: January 05, 2012, 11:20:56 »
Bumped with the latest ......
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The family of a U.S. soldier held captive by the Taliban for over two years said on Wednesday they were optimistic about the possibility of talks between the Afghan insurgent group and countries including the United States.

They expressed hope that Bowe Bergdahl would be freed "as soon as possible" in a statement issued a day after the Taliban said they had reached a preliminary agreement to set up a political office in the Gulf Arab country of Qatar.

"We are optimistic about the possibility of diplomatic discussions between Taliban officials and government officials from other nations, including the United States," the family said in a statement released through the Idaho National Guard.

"Our only son, Bowe Bergdahl, has been held captive for two and a half years. We hope he will be released as soon as possible. We know that serious discussions among diplomats are the most likely way to make this happen, and for Bowe to be returned safely to us, his family," it added.

Bergdahl, of Hailey, Idaho, was a member of the 1st Battalion of the 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment in Afghanistan when he went missing in June 2009. Three days later, the U.S. military declared him captured by the Taliban.

In May 2011, Robert Bergdahl posted an online appeal asking the government of Pakistan and its armed forces to help free his son. In July, the NATO security force in Afghanistan said U.S. and NATO forces had made bringing Bergdahl home a top priority.

The Afghan Taliban announced a preliminary deal on Tuesday to set up a political office in Qatar, which could lead to diplomatic talks, and asked for the release of prisoners held at the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. (link to statement text at Army.ca) ....
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I wonder how much, if any, having a Taliban store-front in Qatar'll help this guy, too? 
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Re: Missing USA Soldier Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #44 on: January 10, 2012, 10:04:25 »
Taliban:  we ain't releasing this guy in exchange for Gitmo releases.....
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Aljazeera television published an unconfirmed report yesterday in which it claimed that 3 officials of Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan have been released from Guantanamo in exchange for the American prisoner Bergdahl who is held by Islamic Emirate. Aljazeera channel also said that their claim has been confirmed by officials of Islamic Emirate however the reality is that all these assertions are baseless which are not affirmed by any officials of Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan. We strongly urge all news agencies to avoid damaging their reputation by publishing such untrue reports. They should also avoid coming under the influence the western media outlets which want to portray as if all the problems have been solved and through which, they want to spread concerns and keep the Muslims masses in the dark. Our enemies must similarly realize that the courageous people of Afghanistan under the leadership of Islamic Emirate will continue their legitimate struggle and armed Jihad until all the occupying forces are expelled from this soil.

The spokesman of Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, Zabihullah Mujahid
jihadology.net blog, 10 Jan 12

Nothing on Al Jazeera English web site on this at this point.
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Re: USA Soldier Spc. Bowe Bergdahl Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #45 on: May 09, 2012, 14:20:58 »
Bump with the latest from the parents, seeking a prisoner swap .....
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Nearly three years after finding out their son Bowe was taken hostage by enemy forces while serving with the U.S. Army in Afghanistan, Hailey-area residents Bob and Jani Bergdahl are breaking a long silence, hopeful that renewed awareness about Bowe's plight will lead to his release and return home to Idaho.

In an interview with the Idaho Mountain Express, the Bergdahls said they believe Bowe is alive and could be brought home through aggressive negotiations or, possibly, a prisoner exchange. They said they are now vocally supporting grassroots efforts to bring their son's case into the spotlight, in part because of mounting frustration over the inability of the U.S. government to negotiate Bowe's release.

"There is a dynamic here that has changed," Bob Bergdahl said. "Everybody is frustrated with how slowly the process has evolved."

Pursuant to that frustration, Mr. Bergdahl said he and his wife now want to publicly thank activists across the globe who have initiated petitions and awareness campaigns to recognize Bowe and plead for his safe return to the United States. And, Mr. and Mrs. Bergdahl said, they are advocating that the Pentagon and the White House consider swapping one or more U.S. prisoners being held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, for their son.

"I'm pushing it hard," Mr. Bergdahl said. "We started out by trying to encourage the Taliban to take care of our son. ... Now, we're worried that the government isn't concerned enough to put him on the (negotiating) table."

Mr. Bergdahl said he and his wife want to see a peaceful resolution to the standoff, preferably one that doesn't put other American soldiers in harm's way in order to secure Bowe's freedom.

"We don't want to see Americans killed," he said.

Mrs. Bergdahl said the family has reasons to believe that Bowe is still in captivity in Afghanistan or Pakistan.

"We know he is doing as well as he can be," she said.

Mr. Bergdahl said he believes a deal to swap Taliban prisoners at Guantanamo for Bowe would be a "win-win" for the United States—his son could be returned safely to Idaho and the government could foster goodwill with the Afghan people.

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Mr. Bergdahl said he is hopeful that the grassroots movement petitioning for Bowe's release gains new momentum.

"We want to get the people going, to raise awareness that there is an American POW," he said. "It's the power of the people. If we could get (comedian) Jimmy Fallon to Tweet about it, that would be something."

Mr. and Mrs. Bergdahl said two campaigns this year to free Bowe stand out as examples of how much Bowe's case has touched people across the world. One was a petition drive by Wisconsin Eagle Scout Johnny Weber, 15, who was adopted three and a half years ago by Brenda and Rick Weber of Wausau, Wisc., from an orphanage in central Russia. He started the petition after meeting Sen. John McCain on a trip to Washington, D.C. Weber on April 23 sent to the Idaho Mountain Express a copy of a letter he sent to President Barack Obama. In the letter, he says he collected more than 55,000 signatures.

"I would like to know if my family and I can come to Washington, D.C., and hand you the petitions," he says. "I realize you are Sgt. Bergdahl's boss as you are the commander in chief and I believe they belong to you now. ... My vow is to honor our veterans and soldier every day and invite everyone to join me."

The second campaign was started in the Himalayan nation of Nepal, where Dr. Nanda Singh has been gathering signatures of supporters in the city of Katmandu. He said his goal is the "safe and speedy release of Sgt. Bowe."

The Bergdahls both said they would like to issue a public "thank you" to Weber, Singh and all of the other supporters who have joined their cause ....
Idaho Mountain Express, 9 May 12

See previous post re:  the latest (10 Jan 12) on the Taliban's position on a prisoner swap ....
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Re: USA Soldier Spc. Bowe Bergdahl Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #46 on: May 10, 2012, 10:14:52 »
Its unlike the taliban to keep a prisoner this long,unless Bergdahl is of some use to them.

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Re: USA Soldier Spc. Bowe Bergdahl Reported Captured in AFG
« Reply #47 on: May 10, 2012, 10:25:36 »
Its unlike the taliban to keep a prisoner this long,unless Bergdahl is of some use to them.
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