Author Topic: "Kurdish music star may sue OPP after dramatic highway arrest" (Read 4914 times)

mariomike · « **on:** August 18, 2009, 21:15:48 »

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/toronto/archive/2009/08/18/kurdish-music-star-may-sue-opp-after-dramatic-highway-arrest.aspx

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/51602--famous-kurdish-singer-claims-opp-used-excessive-force-during-highway-takedown

Hatchet Man · « **Reply #1 on:** August 18, 2009, 22:49:47 »

I don't think even Clayton Ruby would touch this one. I wonder if they are going to record all the lawyers that laugh hysterically at them and/or tell them to piss off for wasting their time.

Love793 · « **Reply #2 on:** August 18, 2009, 22:52:55 »

For some reason, I can't get the thought of Borat out of my mind.

Neo Cortex · « **Reply #3 on:** August 18, 2009, 22:57:05 »

Just what can he sue for? The man wasn't arrested. He wasn't detained. He was approached and his holding of firearms or lack thereof was determined. What should the cops have done instead? "Oh, well, he might have a gun, but he's Kurdish. We'll let 'em pass."

COBRA-6 · « **Reply #4 on:** August 18, 2009, 23:03:58 »

Quote from: Neo Cortex on August 18, 2009, 22:57:05

Just what can he sue for?

His hurt honour apparently

Technoviking · « **Reply #5 on:** August 19, 2009, 07:08:17 »

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Perwer also wants an apology on behalf of all members of the Kurdish community and has spoken to a lawyer about the incident.

So, this was an attack on Kurdish people? WTF?

OK, so why throw down the race card? Oh, right, because you want to detract attention from this:

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Apparently, members of Perwer’s crew were filming him in a black Hummer while driving back from Niagara Falls, when a passing motorists mistook an appropriately named ‘shotgun microphone’, for the real thing.

Gimme a break....

recceguy · « **Reply #6 on:** August 19, 2009, 09:05:20 »

The cops followed protocol for a high risk takedown. Miller has got the citizens of Toronto so freaked about guns they see them everywhere. The cops have a job to do. There's nothing to apologise for.

This is just another egocentric entertainer with a huge sense of entitlement thinking the world should move aside while he approaches. It allows him to put the community, and more important in his mind, himself, front and centre of the news. Now the community will feel beholden to him. Any publicity.........you know the rest. The best thing the MSM can do is quite talking about him, he'll go away.

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/51602--famous-kurdish-singer-claims-opp-used-excessive-force-during-highway-takedown

I certainly didn't see anything harsh or unusual in the video. If anything I think the cops were very professional and restrained. These guys talking about the affront to their, and their people's, honour are out to lunch. I wonder how they would have been treated in the same circumstances if they were at home.

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Greymatters · « **Reply #7 on:** August 20, 2009, 11:31:01 »

Apparently, being arrested by mistake is a violation of your human rights. Why accept an apology when you can get some cash instead?

Hatchet Man · « **Reply #8 on:** August 20, 2009, 13:24:44 »

Here is a full video on youtube of what happened http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYcXDv4limw don't know how long it is going to be there since the poster, doesn't like people commenting that the OPP did an excellent job handling the situation. He deleted my comments to that effect and I suspect others.

FishOuttaWater · « **Reply #9 on:** August 20, 2009, 15:43:07 »

Wow, compared to some traffic take-downs I've seen (first-hand or taped), that's pretty tame...

And professional actually, which is understandable seeing how the officers obviously knew they were being video'd.

Sierra Kilo · « **Reply #10 on:** August 20, 2009, 16:12:47 »

having been involved in a similar, albeit less "celebrated" situation and the subsequent complaint, I've come to the conclusion that you just can't win on the side of officer safety, no matter how the situation appears. But I'd rather go home alive and complained about, than the alternative.

PMedMoe · « **Reply #11 on:** August 20, 2009, 16:29:52 »

Quote from: Hatchet Man on August 20, 2009, 13:24:44

Here is a full video on youtube of what happened http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYcXDv4limw don't know how long it is going to be there since the poster, doesn't like people commenting that the OPP did an excellent job handling the situation. He deleted my comments to that effect and I suspect others.

Well, just look at the poster's user name: kurdish1Bling

What would you expect? Obviously the OPP are in the wrong.

karl28 · « **Reply #12 on:** August 20, 2009, 21:16:24 »

I just finished watching that video and didn't see the officer doing anything wrong . Just some crap head trying to stir up stuff that isn't there .

scas · « **Reply #13 on:** August 20, 2009, 21:46:48 »

All these people sayin stuff.. But yet what if they were armed and going to one of those commentors houses?

Chapeski · « **Reply #14 on:** August 20, 2009, 22:47:01 »

So I replied to the video (this after reading all sorts of negative remarks with regards to the OPP and Canada). My unbiased opinion was swiftly deleted, so I attempted to make another post, however it seems as though I was blocked. It upsets me that some people have that sort of hatred for Canada.

PMedMoe · « **Reply #15 on:** August 20, 2009, 22:53:26 »

Quote from: Chapeski on August 20, 2009, 22:47:01

So I replied to the video (this after reading all sorts of negative remarks with regards to the OPP and Canada). My unbiased opinion was swiftly deleted, so I attempted to make another post, however it seems as though I was blocked. It upsets me that some people have that sort of hatred for Canada.

Probably don't have the same hatred for the government handouts though.

mariomike · « **Reply #16 on:** August 20, 2009, 22:57:08 »

I never heard of the guy prior to this. This PR will boost his record sales.

MSEng314 · « **Reply #17 on:** August 20, 2009, 23:10:10 »

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So I replied to the video (this after reading all sorts of negative remarks with regards to the OPP and Canada). My unbiased opinion was swiftly deleted, so I attempted to make another post, however it seems as though I was blocked. It upsets me that some people have that sort of hatred for Canada.

My comment was likewise deleted, it wasn't even up 5 minutes. So much for freedom of speech....

If these guys hate Canada so much, why don't they just leave?

I also flagged this video as inappropriate as the poster will not allow discussion on it, and only allows hate messages about Canada, so we'll see what happens.

Hatchet Man · « **Reply #18 on:** August 21, 2009, 00:59:50 »

This link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AazTP-YTPg is essentially the same video, except the poster didn't edit out the part where the cameran give kudos to the Officers involved. Also the poster is little more tolerant of divergent opinions.

X-mo-1979 · « **Reply #19 on:** August 21, 2009, 01:13:16 »

Well I'm glad I live in a country where he can actually bring this court.
Not saying I agree with him (AT ALL) however I will throw a personal story out there.

A couple years ago in small town Canada one of my friends and his wife hauls into a local convenience store in their red pontiac Sunfire.As he was stepping out two police cruisers hauled in behind his car rushed him slamming him to the ground.Knee in back and on head his wife gets hauled out by one officer while the 4th searches their car.

Slightly frightened because....well they were going to get a movie.They ask WTF is going on,only to have knee's further jammed into his face.The policeman searching the car says its "clear".then they begin questioning the man where the guns are.Still pinned to the ground.(by this time a crowd had stopped to see whats going on)

After keeping him then in the back of the car for a hour he finally figures out a Red ford tempo with license plate******* was called in as having weapons and discharging them on the highway.

It's blunders like this that make me happy we live in a country where police are held accountable for their actions.I have been in some eastern European countries where police beatings (and I mean face punches)are a form of search!

Just thought I would throw out how happy I am to live in Canada.And glad no matter how stupid the claims towrds the police are,that we can do that.

IrishCanuck · « **Reply #20 on:** August 21, 2009, 22:44:35 »

Quote from: X-mo-1979 on August 21, 2009, 01:13:16

Well I'm glad I live in a country where he can actually bring this court.
Not saying I agree with him (AT ALL) however I will throw a personal story out there.

A couple years ago in small town Canada one of my friends and his wife hauls into a local convenience store in their red pontiac Sunfire.As he was stepping out two police cruisers hauled in behind his car rushed him slamming him to the ground.Knee in back and on head his wife gets hauled out by one officer while the 4th searches their car.

Slightly frightened because....well they were going to get a movie.They ask WTF is going on,only to have knee's further jammed into his face.The policeman searching the car says its "clear".then they begin questioning the man where the guns are.Still pinned to the ground.(by this time a crowd had stopped to see whats going on)

After keeping him then in the back of the car for a hour he finally figures out a Red ford tempo with license plate******* was called in as having weapons and discharging them on the highway.

It's blunders like this that make me happy we live in a country where police are held accountable for their actions.I have been in some eastern European countries where police beatings (and I mean face punches)are a form of search!

Just thought I would throw out how happy I am to live in Canada.And glad no matter how stupid the claims towrds the police are,that we can do that.

And then we can turn around and tell idiots like this goofball to pound salt, as the police acted perfectly in response to a perceived threat to public safety.

Greymatters · « **Reply #21 on:** August 22, 2009, 20:15:21 »

Of course, not all the details are given in that short story, so we cant play armchair general and say whether the approach was right or not; unless you know more of the story you cant just blindly approve or disapprove of the action taken.

Knowing only the facts in the story, I would disagree with your comment; there needs to be something besides just a 'report' to justify slamming a persons face into the ground and kneeling on them, i.e. they look like gangbangers, they're holding weapons, they're threatening to kill people, acting intimidating, resisting arrest, etcetera...

recceguy · « **Reply #22 on:** August 22, 2009, 22:25:29 »

Quote from: Greymatters on August 22, 2009, 20:15:21

Of course, not all the details are given in that short story, so we cant play armchair general and say whether the approach was right or not; unless you know more of the story you cant just blindly approve or disapprove of the action taken.

Knowing only the facts in the story, I would disagree with your comment; there needs to be something besides just a 'report' to justify slamming a persons face into the ground and kneeling on them, i.e. they look like gangbangers, they're holding weapons, they're threatening to kill people, acting intimidating, resisting arrest, etcetera...

How about acting stupidly arrogant, and not co-operating in a high risk takedown situation? The cops have no idea what they are dealing with and have to act accordingly until factors prove otherwise.

ruckmarch · « **Reply #23 on:** August 23, 2009, 21:46:47 »

Quote from: Greymatters on August 22, 2009, 20:15:21

Of course, not all the details are given in that short story, so we cant play armchair general and say whether the approach was right or not; unless you know more of the story you cant just blindly approve or disapprove of the action taken.

Knowing only the facts in the story, I would disagree with your comment; there needs to be something besides just a 'report' to justify slamming a persons face into the ground and kneeling on them, i.e. they look like gangbangers, they're holding weapons, they're threatening to kill people, acting intimidating, resisting arrest, etcetera...

I couldn't agree with you more with all you said above. Could you imagine if every called the cops just because they saw someone holding out of the window that looked like a weapon?

In case people didn't know this, it's not uncommon for cops to harrass kurds back in their homeland, and am sure these folks were traumatized by the whole experience. I am not sticking up for them here, just put yourself in their shoes for a second.

The guy has actually played with some big names in the past, one of them being STING. Cops at times need to chill a bit, not everyone that isn't white in an escalade, merc or beemer is a criminal, the cars in this case could have been rented, since they were here filming a video.

Oh well.....am sure Fantino and his people will sort this one out

Sierra Kilo · « **Reply #24 on:** August 23, 2009, 22:03:42 »

You would be surprised how many calls the police get about people seeing weapons or what appear to be so... every one of them is dealt with in the same manner, in order to maintain officer safety. You just never hear about most because they don't happen to "famous" people.

Complacency kills, and the moment you start to think of something as just a routine call, is bad for an officer's health.

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The guy has actually played with some big names in the past, one of them being STING. Cops at times need to chill a bit, not everyone that isn't white in an escalade, merc or beemer is a criminal, the cars in this case could have been rented, since they were here filming a video.

There's more than one thing wrong with that paragraph. If i'm missing sarcasm, let me know.

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