Topic: G8/G20 June 2010 Protest Watch

[milnews.ca]

Solidarity (not so) forever, according to one activist writer:

I reported yesterday on the Civil Liberties rally in Toronto, attended by 300 (a generous estimate at Queen's Park).

Don't get me wrong, it was fun to stick it Officer Bubbles...I would be lying to you, though, if I didn't mention the small numbers at this civil liberties event compared to the rally last Saturday which filled out to a respectable 2,500 people.

While 300 people is nothing to shake a stick at, I was left wondering: What happened? The July 17, 2010, rally felt like a deflated balloon. For the long haul (since when changing the world, you're have to be in it for the long haul), do only 300 people in Toronto care that we had our civil liberties violated last month? Sure, activists who were charged have conditions that prevent them from attending demonstrations, but where was everyone else? I know this city has activists, I've seen them! ....

Some links to labour organization statements bashing (a bit, anyway) those who damaged property are in the article as well:
http://www.canadianlabour.ca/national/news/statement-ken-georgetti-president-canadian-labour-congress-vandalism-surrounding-toron
http://www.cupe.on.ca/doc.php?document_id=1168&lang=en

as well as this tidbit from another propagandist activist writer bashing the unions for not going on strike or doing more:

.... In expressing fidelity to the "rule of law" what is really being affirmed is fidelity to the state and to the bosses. Any union that expresses fidelity to the rule of law is not worthy of the name ....

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[Bruce Monkhouse]

Yeah........They shouldn't have too much trouble tracking down that fat one trying to hide
               herself clad in black 

Just check the bars in Pet......................

[milnews.ca]

This from the Canadian Press:

A man facing explosives and weapons charges as part of a G20 security investigation has been denied bail.

Byron Sonne was arrested June 22 and accused of possessing dangerous weapons and explosives for an unlawful purpose, among other charges.

Sonne's wife, Kristen Peterson, was also arrested but later released on bail with the condition she have no contact with her husband and live with her parents.

The 37-year-old Sonne also stands accused of mischief, attempted mischief and intimidating a justice system participant ....

[milnews.ca]

I haven't noticed any women on these lists yet, and looking at the Black Bloc vandalism, close to 50% of those black clad people were obviously women.

Some in attached "Have you seen these thugs?" shots from TPS.

[Rogo]

Picture #21 in attached photos by milnews looks like a kid.  A shame if he's ruined his life so early on.

[milnews.ca]

I guess "active" anarchy is a young person's game....

[57Chevy]

Caught up with a female type anarchist here
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'Facilitator' of G20 vandalism identified:

Toronto police say they are looking for a woman that they say caused thousands of dollars worth of damage during an anti-G20 protest on June 26.

At a Wednesday afternoon news conference, police also released 21 more pictures of people suspected of violence and vandalism during the protests.

Det.-Sgt. Gary Giroux of the police's G20 investigative team asked the public for help in identifying those people.

Giroux singled out one woman who he said "was responsible for a tremendous amount of damage in the downtown core."

Police are looking for Kelly Pflug-Back, 21, who is facing six counts of mischief over $5,000. If convicted, Pflug-Back could face "a substantial jail sentence," Giroux said. She is accused of being a "facilitator" who gave directions to other people to cause damage.

Police believe she was involved in an attack on a police cruiser on June 26, as well as attacks on several retail businesses.

Giroux urged Pflug-Back, of Norwood, Ont., to turn herself in.

The new photos come a week after police released what they called a top 10 most wanted list of those suspected of criminal activity during the summit.
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[Bruce Monkhouse]

She still has outstanding charges of assault against her from way back when some jerkoff knocked over the Olympic torchbearer in Guelph before the Games.

[George Wallace]

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Accused 'facilitator' in G20 violence arrested
21/07/2010 8:15:52 PM
CBC News

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A woman who Toronto police believe caused thousands of dollars' worth of damage during an anti-G20 protest on June 26 has turned herself in.

At a Wednesday afternoon news conference, police released 21 more pictures of people suspected of violence and vandalism during the protests.

Det.-Sgt. Gary Giroux of the police service's G20 investigative team asked the public for help in identifying those people.

Giroux singled out one woman who, he alleged, "was responsible for a tremendous amount of damage in the downtown core."

Kelly Pflug-Back, 21, is facing six counts of mischief over $5,000. If convicted, she could face "a substantial jail sentence," Giroux said.

On Wednesday afternoon, Pflug-Black of Norwood, Ont., turned herself in to police in Peterborough.

Accused in attacks

She is accused of being a "facilitator" who gave directions to other people to cause damage.

Police believe she was involved in an attack on a police cruiser on June 26, as well as attacks on several retail businesses.

The new photos come a week after police released what they called a top 10 "most wanted" list of those suspected of criminal activity during the summit.

Since then, police have arrested 10 people in connection with the violence that erupted during the summit, primarily on June 26. They face a total of 21 charges, most of them for mischief over $5,000.

Nearly 1,000 people were detained before and during the G20 as part of the largest peacetime mass arrest in Canadian history.

[mariomike]

July 23, 2010
National Post:
"5th probe of police launched":
http://www.nationalpost.com/probe+police+launched/3311800/story.html

[zipperhead_cop]

Picture #21 in attached photos by milnews looks like a kid.  A shame if he's ruined his life so early on.

Ha! Sorry my friend, this is Canada.  If he murdered someone, his life wouldn't be "ruined".  Breaking some stuff?  Absolutely couldn't possibly matter less to the judges.  And if he is one of our precious youth, he'll get to blame his behavior on his parents, ADHD/ADD/ODD/LFNAB, all his friends that "made" him do it, society....et al. 
Trust that he has already seen that picture on-line, printed it off dozens of times and is signing copies for his friends. 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Ha! Sorry my friend, this is Canada.  If he murdered someone, his life wouldn't be "ruined".  Breaking some stuff?  Absolutely couldn't possibly matter less to the judges.  And if he is one of our precious youth, he'll get to blame his behavior on his parents, ADHD/ADD/ODD/LFNAB, all his friends that "made" him do it, society....et al. 
Trust that he has already seen that picture on-line, printed it off dozens of times and is signing copies for his friends. 

Yup, but unfortunately folks don't/ won't believe that until they end up working in the system and get to see it first-hand.

[Container]

Since his picture is out there and is associated with such negative things the judge may feel he has suffered enough already.

One order of community justice no record with a side of loose feel good conditions coming up!

[Tommy]

Since his picture is out there and is associated with such negative things the judge may feel he has suffered enough already.

One order of community justice no record with a side of loose feel good conditions coming up!

Sounds like a recipie for Heartburn right there.....

Sigh.... what ever happened to people being held accountable....

[Rogo]

Ha! Sorry my friend, this is Canada.  If he murdered someone, his life wouldn't be "ruined".  Breaking some stuff?  Absolutely couldn't possibly matter less to the judges.  And if he is one of our precious youth, he'll get to blame his behavior on his parents, ADHD/ADD/ODD/LFNAB, all his friends that "made" him do it, society....et al. 
Trust that he has already seen that picture on-line, printed it off dozens of times and is signing copies for his friends.

That is true but see it's not the idea that he'll be afraid of jailtime or anything.  If he is charged and it sticks (can be something minor for all I care) he will realize in a year or two that jobs are harder to find and hold.  And when those parents he blamed (for sake of argument) his actions on go to florida for vacation, he will be stuck stateside walking the dog.   

Not a terrible punishment but suddenly a few minutes of stupidity don't look so worth it in the larger picture.

[zipperhead_cop]

If he is charged and it sticks (can be something minor for all I care) he will realize in a year or two that jobs are harder to find and hold.  And when those parents he blamed (for sake of argument) his actions on go to florida for vacation, he will be stuck stateside walking the dog.   

And what in God's sweet blue creation would make you think that this bipedal turd would have ANY ambition to get a job?  Having a "job" is selling out to The Man.  And I bring you back to what country we are talking about.  There is no reason to have a job in Canada.  Work is for suckers.  Just ask any fifth generation welfare recipient. 
Chances are, a lack of parental interest in said clowns life is what got him to where he is.  I'm betting family vacations are not the norm.

It would be kinda awesome to have your rose coloured glasses, if even for an afternoon though. 

[Danjanou]

And what in God's sweet blue creation would make you think that this bipedal turd would have ANY ambition to get a job?  Having a "job" is selling out to The Man.  And I bring you back to what country we are talking about.  There is no reason to have a job in Canada.  Work is for suckers.  Just ask any fifth generation welfare recipient. 
Chances are, a lack of parental interest in said clowns life is what got him to where he is.  I'm betting family vacations are not the norm.

It would be kinda awesome to have your rose coloured glasses, if even for an afternoon though.

Can I borrow  them after you're finished with them, it's turning into one of THOSE types of days. 

[Tango18A]

Do those glasses come with a box of rubber bullets??

[zipperhead_cop]

Do those glasses come with a box of rubber bullets??

I think the ones you are talking about are called "vermillion" and yes, they frequently DO come with bullets.  5.56 ball.   

[57Chevy]

Police deny G20 protesters out on bail being muzzled muzzled
TORONTO — Two G20 protesters out on bail were warned by police this week that they face re-arrest because they were close to violating the conditions of their release, but their friends claim the tactic is an attempt by police to muzzle freedom of speech.

Ontario Provincial Police said Thursday they have been monitoring Leah Henderson, 25, and Alex Hundert, 30, since their release on bail on July 19.

OPP Insp. Dave Ross wouldn't specify which bail conditions may have been violated, as the case is still before the courts. He denied it was related to comments the two had made to the media.

"We became aware of a number of public statements both individuals had been making," said Ross, who works out of OPP headquarters in Orillia, Ont. "We had a consultation with the Crown attorney and deemed that some of the statements may be in violation of their bail conditions. We contacted the individuals and warned them of this," he added.

"Certainly, we recognize freedom of speech and lawful assembly as charter rights. That's not the issue here. The issue is that these two may be in violation of their bail conditions," he said.

"Speaking to the media, speaking in public is not an offence."

As part of their bail conditions, the two agreed not to assist in planning, participating or attending any public demonstrations and not to make any postings on the Internet.

Ross said officers wanted to give the protesters "fair warning" that they may be arrested again.

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[pbi]

In expressing fidelity to the "rule of law" what is really being affirmed is fidelity to the state and to the bosses. Any union that expresses fidelity to the rule of law is not worthy of the name ....

(Sorry I'm joining in a bit late).

Now, here's a frightening quote that goes directly to the heart of how so many Lefties seem to view the world.  They don't need the law imposed by "The Man". Of course, a brief review of legal history would quickly point out the various legal decisions  by "The Man's"| courts that have enshrined unions, collective bargaining, the right to strike, etc. When was the last time you saw dogs and firehoses used to break up a UAW strike? And, strangely, I'm sure these same activist types demand that the Govt take legal action to stop this or that evil , or protect this or that pet cause. Suppose, for a moment, that corporations were not "bound by law" in their dealings with unions? What then?

This revealing statement reminds me of an interview I recently heard with one of the G20 activists. When asked by the host if the trashing of small businesses, burning of police vehicles and terrifying of store employees were not actually acts of violence, her reply was that they were not. She then proceeded to reel off a classic Left-wing rant that would have stood up well back in the 'Sixties.
"Violence" was what the police were doing. "Violence" was what the corporations and the Govt were doing. The actions of the rioters were a just and rightful reaction by the oppressed BLABLABLA (you get  the idea). But they were not violence.

So....If I decide I don't like her point of view, or her activism, and I go and trash her workplace, frighten her and her co-workers, then attack the police when they show up (because, actually, the 911 system doesn't have a Left-wing voice-pattern discriminator built into it...), then all that wouldn't be violence, because I'm just exercising my right to express my point of view.

Have I got that right? Because the next step in this logic train is the justification of terrorism.

Cheers

[Tango18A]

Pretty much true for them. They want to live in a world where their own actions don't deserve justification, yet if their "rights" are infringed on, look out for the Media **** storm to follow. Maybe they should move to Albania or some other country where you just disappear for giving the Govt/ Police forces a hard time. Seems to me that they have life very easy here in Canada.

[pbi]

Maybe they should move to Albania or some other country where you just disappear for giving the Govt/ Police forces a hard time. Seems to me that they have life very easy here in Canada.

Yes, and history shows us quite clearly what a "workers' paradise" these sort create when they actually do get control of a country. Not much toleration of dissenting opinion, and people like themselves swiftly rounded up and disappeared, instead of getting their faces all over the media.

Cheers

[Tango18A]

Then maybe they should be more mindful of what message they are giving the general public that doesn't approve of their actions. I know if I burned a police car I would fully expect to spend time in the can for it.

[E.R. Campbell]

The problem is that most serious people on the socio-economic and political 'left' are convinced, against all the evidence, that a socialist "workers' paradise" can be implemented, can be made to work if only intelligent, "right thinking" people, like themselves, are in charge. Most Bloqistes and Dippers are, in fact, decent, honest, well intentioned, albeit terribly naive, people who want what they are certain is best for us all. (In that they are fundamentally different from the 'left' wing of the Liberal Party which wants, above all, power for the Party and which hopes that some desirable socio-economic 'benefits' will trickle down to the masses.)

At a wild guesstimate, about one third of the public service falls into each of the categories of:

1. "serious people on the socio-economic and political 'left';" or

2. members of "the 'left' wing of the Liberal Party."

That means they are, fundamentally, opposed to the policies of the currently elected government. By the way, an equally wild quesstimate tells me that the media is more than half "serious people on the socio-economic and political 'left'." In other words, the media's bias is not pro-Liberal (if it is anything it is pro-NDP), it is, in the main just anti-Conservative because most (many? just some?) journalists really do try to hide their own, individual socio-economic preferences; they would never try to tell you to vote for the NDP but they cannot help suggesting that the Tories (and US Republicans) are evil incarnate.