Topic: BGen Ménard relieved of Afganistan Comd & other fall-outs

[jollyjacktar]

The company, which employs 45,000 workers in several related companies in Canada and around the globe, says on its website that it puts "integrity first."

Read more: http://www.canada.com/news/Disgraced+Canadian+army+officer+resurfaces+Kabul/6186078/story.html#ixzz1n3W7ChrM

Makes one go hmmmm seeing as their new employee was hammered for a lack of integrity.

[CDN Aviator]

Makes one go hmmmm seeing as their new employee was hammered for a lack of integrity.

Not the first one. Remember this guy :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Boyle

He went to work for Boeing a few months after his resignation.

[Scott]

Your not aloud to be rite twise in won tred.

Did I wander into the recruiting threads?

[CDN Aviator]

Did I wander into the recruiting threads?

LOLZ, fo sho homie. Ninjas unite !!

[jollyjacktar]

Not the first one. Remember this guy :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Boyle

He went to work for Boeing a few months after his resignation.

I remember that boil.  Did not know that he landed on his feet smelling like dough.   

[fraserdw]

Figures that would turn up as a Merc sucking re-building money away from the mission

[Jim Seggie]

HEY!!! I was right! How about that!!!

[CDN Aviator]

HEY!!! I was right! How about that!!!

 

[GAP]

Menard was convicted of violating military rules regarding misconduct because of his affair with a young woman and of the arguably more serious charge of trying to impede a military investigation into that misconduct by lying twice to investigators and encouraging the woman to do the same. He was fined $7,000 and busted in rank to colonel. He could have been dismissed from the army but he had already resigned his commission before his trial began.

That being the case, why does it make him a scumbag for finding other work in what he knows? He's gone from the CF, did you think he wouldn't find work?

[Loachman]

One wonders:

1.  What Garda's frat rules are;
2.  Whether he will be armed, and with what; and
3.  What he will do this time.

[ArmyVern]

I just want to know what the hell we would officially call the ex-General ex-Colonel guy who resigned his commission now?

I have no doubt that his job consists of riding a desk there. 

[milnews.ca]

I just want to know what the hell we would officially call the ex-General ex-Colonel guy who resigned his commission now?

Mister?

[ArmyVern]

Mister?

Isn't a single guy a "Master"?? 

[GAP]

Isn't a single guy a "Master"?? 

Until they reach puberty, then only by design...........

[milnews.ca]

Isn't a single guy a "Master"?? 

Until they reach puberty, then only by design...........

Maybe it still fits then....

[Rifleman62]

Rifleman62: Reply #287 on: July 27, 2011, 08:50:09

Quote: Referred to as "Loser".

Who do lots of people watch on TV every week night, has scads of money, is loved by the Lefties, is married with young children, and has had sex with several female employees (subordinates) of his company?

Not much was said, written, reported after it was revealed. A bit, but not much. Of course he apologized. Don't know if he found God or not.

To modernize the old phrase "There is a Law for the Rich and a Law for the Poor", to "There is no Law for the Left, and Laws for the Right".

[frank1515]

That being the case, why does it make him a scumbag for finding other work in what he knows? He's gone from the CF, did you think he wouldn't find work?

Agreed.  He wasn't found guilty of being a person who couldn't make timely decisions under the presence of an armed enemy, or that he couldn't stomach the tedious war-like environment.  If garda thinks he can be an asset, why bash him or them?  He got a little too close to a subordinate and got caught, doesn't make him a bad assest, it makes him a person who was caught in a position he wasn't supposed to be in. No more, no less.

Good on him for finding work where he was, obviously, very good at. Less the improper conduct with the people who worked for him.

[milnews.ca]

He got a little too close to a subordinate and got caught, doesn't make him a bad assest, it makes him a person who was caught in a position he wasn't supposed to be in. No more, no less .... Less the improper conduct with the people who worked for him.

Not to rub salt in the wound, but he also mishandled a weapon around his boss, putting other soldiers at risk:
http://www.thetelegram.com/Arts---Life/World/2010-05-25/article-1439058/Top-general-in-Afghanistan-found-guilty-in-court-martial-for-inadvertent-shot/1
True, he manned up to the offense.  Nonetheless, it would be interesting to hear more about what he does for Garda.

[frank1515]

True enough, but he's not the only soldier to have been charged with an ND. He just so happened to be a field commander at the time.

[Loachman]

He got a little too close to a subordinate and got caught,

And tried to obstruct an investigation into the matter.
That is far more serious.

Had he not done that, he would have merely looked like a twit who couldn't control either weapon, rather than a lying, dishonourable twit who couldn't control either weapon.

[ArmyVern]

Agreed.  He wasn't found guilty of being a person who couldn't make timely decisions under the presence of an armed enemy, or that he couldn't stomach the tedious war-like environment.  If garda thinks he can be an asset, why bash him or them?  He got a little too close to a subordinate and got caught, doesn't make him a bad assest, it makes him a person who was caught in a position he wasn't supposed to be in. No more, no less.

Good on him for finding work where he was, obviously, very good at. Less the improper conduct with the people who worked for him.

A person who willfully placed himself into that position knowing it was against the regulations. Who probably had soldiers under his command charged with that offense even as he laid back doing same himself. He also encouraged  his partner to lie to impede the course of justice; both of which speak to his lack of "integrity" ... the basis of Garda's 'mantra'.

I have no issues with anyone questioning Garda's employment of him in their midst given their very own stated mantra.

I find that Naval Officers who remove themselves from proceedings against subordinates who have 'searched inappriorpriate content while at work' because they stated they had done same thing, have about 500% more integrity, honour and respect than someone who believes that rules are made for the much-lesser many than himself and, that when found to be breaching those regulations, that lying to cover it up is either honourable or acceptable.

 

As a potential employer, his actions would tell me that his priority is strictly himself. Classic narcissism.

His later actions also indicate to me that had he experienced his ND while NOT with the CDS ... no action would have occured. He had no choice but to report himself precisely because of the company he was keeping when it occured. I give him NO credit on that front.

[GK .Dundas]

A person who willfully placed himself into that position knowing it was against the regulations. Who probably had soldiers under his command charged with that offense even as he laid back doing same himself. He also encouraged  his partner to lie to impede the course of justice; both of which speak to his lack of "integrity" ... the basis of Garda's 'mantra'.

I have no issues with anyone questioning Garda's employment of him in their midst given their very own stated mantra.

I find that Naval Officers who remove themselves from proceedings against subordinates who have 'searched inappriorpriate content while at work' because they stated they had done same thing, have about 500% more integrity, honour and respect than someone who believes that rules are made for the much-lesser many than himself and, that when found to be breaching those regulations, that lying to cover it up is either honourable or acceptable.

 

As a potential employer, his actions would tell me that his priority is strictly himself. Classic narcissism.

His later actions also indicate to me that had he experienced his ND while NOT with the CDS ... no action would have occured. He had no choice but to report himself precisely because of the company he was keeping when it occured. I give him NO credit on that front.

I  work for Garda I have to really wonder what was going thru some body's head when they hired this guy .....Colour me absolutely disgusted .

[Jungle]

Not to rub salt in the wound, but he also mishandled a weapon around his boss, putting other soldiers at risk:
http://www.thetelegram.com/Arts---Life/World/2010-05-25/article-1439058/Top-general-in-Afghanistan-found-guilty-in-court-martial-for-inadvertent-shot/1
True, he manned up to the offense.  Nonetheless, it would be interesting to hear more about what he does for Garda.

He once told a few of us that he could follow up to 3 conversations at the same time... apparently he can't follow one (with his boss) and clear his weapon !!

[Rifleman62]

He once told a few of us that he could follow up to 3 conversations at the same time..

in French.

[milnews.ca]

True enough, but he's not the only soldier to have been charged with an ND. He just so happened to be a field commander at the time.

Some would say leaders should be held to a higher standard than the employees because they should know better.  Sorta like how this guy looks even worse doing what he did than one of his subordinates would have if they did the same thing.