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Re: Canada on lookout for another Tamil migrant ship headed for BC
« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2010, 00:24:54 »
Why would a Sri Lankan request a passport from a Canadian embassy? Shouldn't they request one from their own government?


The last census was in 2001, ergo the link is the most current data. Notwithstanding, you don't mean to suggest that the Tamil population in Toronto has increased in the last 10 years by an order of magnitude?

sorry should've made it clear i meant  to actually go to Canadian embassy to get visa and passport from the Sri Lankans.
Yes most likely 10 years is a long time.
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Re: Canada on lookout for another Tamil migrant ship headed for BC
« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2010, 00:27:39 »
My exact point.

You dont have a point. You just wanted to act with indignation when someone said " these tamils" rather than understand what the poster was saying. Typical minority group behaviour..."woh is me" and always playing the victim.

These tamils should try their luck with the US...........wonder how that woud play out eh ?
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Re: Canada on lookout for another Tamil migrant ship headed for BC
« Reply #27 on: August 12, 2010, 00:28:26 »
What is illegal claiming refugee status ?
Its not like they are going to land in Canada and hide for rest of their life? when they land, they will file for landed immigrant status and what not; if they are war criminals Canada can deport them back to Sri Lanka. its not as simple as you think when the sri lankan government treat Tamils like third grade citizen its hard for them to go to Canadian embassy and apply for Sri Lankan passport.

MM thanks for the 10 year old link

I have no doubt that, had they arrived undetected, this is exactly what would happen... POOF!  disappearo rapido.
Apparently, a "USUAL SUSPECT"

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Re: Canada on lookout for another Tamil migrant ship headed for BC
« Reply #28 on: August 12, 2010, 00:29:26 »
If they were crossing the border from Mexico no one would have even noticed.
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Re: Canada on lookout for another Tamil migrant ship headed for BC
« Reply #29 on: August 12, 2010, 00:30:46 »
If they were crossing the border from Mexico no one would have even noticed.

So ?
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Re: Canada on lookout for another Tamil migrant ship headed for BC
« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2010, 00:32:15 »
You dont have a point. You just wanted to act with indignation when someone said " these tamils" rather than understand what the poster was saying. Typical minority group behaviour..."woh is me" and always playing the victim.

These tamils should try their luck with the US...........wonder how that woud play out eh ?

And your typical Redneck behavior I don't care what happens I just don't want "different" people.
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Re: Canada on lookout for another Tamil migrant ship headed for BC
« Reply #32 on: August 12, 2010, 00:35:04 »
And your typical Redneck behavior I don't care what happens I just don't want "different" people.

Far from it. I work with people of many different backgrounds and we all share something in common : We are all law-abiding citizens of this country. If someone enters this country legaly, they are very welcome in my books

BTW...i was not born in Canada and i am a minority in this Country so, yeah, there goes your theory eh ?

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Re: Canada on lookout for another Tamil migrant ship headed for BC
« Reply #34 on: August 12, 2010, 00:36:31 »
And your typical Redneck behavior I don't care what happens I just don't want "different" people.

Are you related to my ex wife?  She can hear things nobody says, too.
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Re: Canada on lookout for another Tamil migrant ship headed for BC
« Reply #35 on: August 12, 2010, 00:38:24 »
Most 2 gen or 1.5 Gen Don't speak Tamil so the link is a no go.

Tamils are the second largest ethnic group in Toronto after Chinese.

For the third time, do you have a source?

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Re: Canada on lookout for another Tamil migrant ship headed for BC
« Reply #36 on: August 12, 2010, 00:40:14 »
Far from it. I work with people of many different backgrounds and we all share something in common : We are all law-abiding citizens of this country. If someone enters this country legaly, they are very welcome in my books

BTW...i was not born in Canada and i am a minority in this Country so, yeah, there goes your theory eh ?

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Then why did you make that assumption about minorities crying "woh is me"
anyways I'm done derailing the thread.
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Re: Canada on lookout for another Tamil migrant ship headed for BC
« Reply #37 on: August 12, 2010, 00:42:45 »
Then why did you make that assumption about minorities crying "woh is me"

Long experience...........
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Re: Canada on lookout for another Tamil migrant ship headed for BC
« Reply #38 on: August 12, 2010, 03:44:23 »
Bravo Juliet,

Quit with the personal attacks or go into the warning system. Calling people rednecks when they haven't even exhibited any such behaviour (all I saw was someone disagreeing with you) is uncalled for.

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RCMP vessels head for Tamil migrant ship

Thu Aug 12, 10:44 AM
 

ST..JOHNS (CBC) - A flotilla of 10 boats, including three RCMP vessels, left the B.C. coast on Thursday morning headed for a Thai cargo ship with an estimated 200 Tamil migrants on board.
 
The MV Sun Sea entered Canada's exclusive economic zone which extends 200 nautical miles, or about 370 kilometres on Wednesday.


The cargo ship is thought to be carrying between 200 and 500 Tamil migrants from Sri Lanka.


It is not clear when the ship might arrive inside Canadian territorial waters which extend about 12 nautical miles (or 22 kilometres) off the coast but officials had said the vessel would arrive by early Friday at the latest.


It's expected to dock at Vancouver Island, likely in the Victoria area.


Officials have said there is reason to believe members of the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam, known as the Tamil Tigers, are on the ship. The Tamil Tigers have been outlawed in Canada as a terrorist group since 2006.


The migrants will likely be taken to two correctional facilities in Maple Ridge, east of Vancouver. Any children on board will likely be put into the care of B.C.'s Ministry of Children and Family Development.


Last October, another ship, the Ocean Lady, was intercepted in Canadian waters off B.C. after crossing the Pacific from Sri Lanka. The group on board claimed to be fleeing persecution.


The government expressed concerns that some on board had links to the Tamil Tigers, but the 76 Sri Lankan migrants from that ship have since been released and their refugee claims will be processed over the next two years.


Sri Lanka has been battered by decades of civil war between the Tamil Tigers and the government.

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Re: Canada on lookout for another Tamil migrant ship headed for BC
« Reply #40 on: August 12, 2010, 16:46:48 »
sorry should've made it clear i meant  to actually go to Canadian embassy to get visa and passport from the Sri Lankans.

It would be the Canadian High Commission.  Commonwealth countries don't exchange ambassadors.

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Re: Canada on lookout for another Tamil migrant ship headed for BC
« Reply #41 on: August 12, 2010, 18:26:53 »
Keep your eyes on the news channels folks. Was at the Hospital this morning visiting my wife and son, and saw a security checkpoint being set up at the old emergency entrance to VGH, as well as a bunch of news crews filming around there, as well as the nearby youth detention centre. Word around the site was that the ship is expected this evening at some point.
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Re: Canada on lookout for another Tamil migrant ship headed for BC
« Reply #42 on: August 12, 2010, 19:10:33 »
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Canadian navy boards ship carrying Tamil migrants


Thursday, August 12, 2010 | 7:05 PM
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The Canadian navy has boarded a cargo ship off the coast of B.C. carrying 490 Tamil migrants, "including suspected human smugglers and terrorists," according to Public Safety Minister Vic Toews.

He said the government intends to prosecute any criminals that may be travelling on board.

One of the navy vessels that met the migrant ship was HMCS Winnipeg -- the same vessel that searched for pirates off the coast of Somalia this year.

"The Winnipeg attempted to hail the Sun Sea several times, and after establishing communications the vessel declared that it had refugees on board," Toews said.

Meanwhile, tents and portable toilets have been set up at CFB Esquimalt in Victoria in advance of the arrival of the migrants. They have been out at sea for months aboard a ship called the MV Sun Sea that left Thailand in May.

The condition of the people on board the ship is unknown. There are unconfirmed reports that at least one person has died, and many are suffering from tuberculosis.

Five RCMP vessels were deployed to meet the cargo ship. The ships carried armed men, though the RCMP would not provide details on their activities.

CTV's Janet Dirks reported that the main hospital in the area of the military base, Victoria General, "has set up at least 75 beds and they've called on extra emergency personnel."

Whatever ailments the migrants may have, Dirks said local health authorities "are ready to treat them."

"After they are treated, they will then go to two correction facilities on the Lower Mainland -- that's outside of Vancouver, in Maple Ridge," Dirks said.

"They could be there for months. People expect that they'll be filling out refugee forms, that's the claim they want to make -- to be refugees and to live in Canada."

Support and security concerns

Some reports and pundits have warned that the MV Sun Sea may be carrying members of the Tamil Tigers -- the banned terrorist organization whose military wing was defeated by the Sri Lankan army last year.

Chitranganee Wagiswara, Sri Lanka's High Commissioner to Canada, said her government believes the cargo ship is tied to the Tamil Tigers -- a group she says profits greatly from human smuggling.

"This is a human smuggling exercise and Canada should look at it from that point of view," Wagiswara told CTV News Channel from Ottawa on Thursday afternoon.

Supporters say the migrants should not be prejudged.

"There has been a lot of innuendo about people being on there that are a threat to Canadian security," Manjula Selvarajah, a spokesperson for the Canadian Tamil Congress, said in an interview with The Canadian Press on Wednesday.

"However, one of the things we have to be careful about is some of the things that we're hearing comes from sources that are linked to the Sri Lankan government, who have a poor track record when it comes to human rights, accountability, transparency."

The expected arrival of the MV Sun Sea will mark the second time a boat carrying Tamil migrants has landed in B.C.

Prior arrivals

Last October, the Ocean Lady brought 76 Tamil migrants to Canada from Sri Lanka.

One passenger on the Ocean Lady told The Canadian Press that he took the risk to come to Canada to flee threats against his life after the end of Sri Lanka's long and bloody civil war. He agreed to pay $45,000 for the chance to leave.

"I was very scared, I felt like I had to hold my life in my own hand," the unidentified passenger told The Canadian Press through a translator.

That ship was supposed to head for Australia, but abruptly changed course and sailed to Canada.

Seeing the news reports of the second ship headed to Canadian soil, the man said he has a sense of what they're going through.

"It's safe for me to say that I know what they're feeling, what they're going through, because I've been through it," he said.

"I think they are civilians just like me coming on the boat and looking for a better opportunity."

Queen's University law professor Sharryn Aiken said the public should look to the Ocean Lady as an example of how smoothly the process will go.

"Seventy-six passengers: All of them after very extensive screening, have been released. They are all awaiting refugee hearings and there has been no substantiated evidence brought forward to date that any of them pose various security risks to Canada," Aiken told CTV News Channel on Thursday afternoon.

"That's not to say that none will ever emerge, and it may be that some of them have links to the defeated Tamil terrorist organization in Sri Lanka, and if they do, they'll be dealt with according to legal procedures here in Canada."

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Re: Canada on lookout for another Tamil migrant ship headed for BC
« Reply #43 on: August 12, 2010, 20:04:44 »
CBC is reporting that the DND is now saying that the ship was not boarded, only that they made contact with it.

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Re: Canada on lookout for another Tamil migrant ship headed for BC
« Reply #45 on: August 13, 2010, 16:18:38 »
Really simple concept guys, come here the legal way or stay out. If my own dad can do it so can you.

There are people in this country that have been working years and YEARS sweating and bleeding to get their own families here, they might as well mail them a rubber dingy. I am tired of illegals getting preferential treatment while people that are legally applying are getting put on hold as our system gets overloaded once again.

The gaping hole in our Immigration Policy really needs to be plugged.

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Re: Canada on lookout for another Tamil migrant ship headed for BC
« Reply #46 on: August 13, 2010, 16:28:31 »
I also find it interesting that we suddenly have an extra 100 beds available. What's up with that? How is it that illegals get better medical attention than our own people?

Enough of this special treatment, do what Australia did and turn this ship right back around.
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Re: Canada on lookout for another Tamil migrant ship headed for BC
« Reply #47 on: August 13, 2010, 16:33:28 »
I know how this is going to soud but......

Enough of this special treatment, do what Australia did and turn this ship right back around.

I beleive that ship has already sailed.

So to speak.......
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Re: Canada on lookout for another Tamil migrant ship headed for BC
« Reply #48 on: August 13, 2010, 16:40:50 »
I think that immigration is one of those issues that a majority government is needed to tackle. That, and the issue must be dealt with early in the mandate so that some of the sting has worn off by the next election. Given the current composition of the house, any party that proposed the required reforms would quickly be labeled as xenophobic, and risk invocation of Godwin's law.



That’s correct; this is a problem that only a solid majority government can tackle.

When such a beast exists it must, first, come to grip with one key fact: refugees are not immigrants. Refugees are people who have, because of well founded fears for live and limb, fled their homes and are seeking refuge, which is, by definition, a temporary safe haven. We, as civilized people, have a moral duty to help care for refugees; first we need to provide refuge, but not necessarily here. Real refugees do not want to immigrate to Canada; they want refuge close to home so that, as soon as it is safe to do so, they can return to their homes and resume their lives in their country. In this respect the Palestinians are, still, refugees in that most want to return to what is now Israel and resume ‘normal’ lives where their great-grandparents once lived.

The CBC has it right: the Tamils on that ship are migrants; they are not seeking refuge they want what all migrants want: a new, better chance in a new, better place. Lots of migrants came to Canada over the centuries: 100% 0f my ancestors came here seeking something better. We call those people immigrants and we have systems in place to recruit the ones we want.

Then, what about the migrants we don’t want – like the 500± who just arrived?

Well, first, we are duty bound and treaty bound to ‘accept’ then and to treat them fairly and humanely.

What we need not do is to turn them loose into the general population and forget about them. We need not have long, drawn out refugee or immigration determination and appeals processes.

Anyone who arrives in Canada, by air or ship or bus or on foot, seeking asylum, should be detained, concentrated with other asylum seekers, in large camps – maybe we can call them concentration camps, Godwin be damned – where they can do some useful work, where their children can be educated, where they can be safe and secure until, eventually, they are almost all returned to the countries they originally fled. They claim, after all, to be refugees and refugees should want to go home as soon as it is safe to do so.

There are a huge number of laws and regulations that need to be rewritten, and they must be rewritten in ways that can either satisfy the Supremes about Charter issues or can be implemented using the ‘notwithstanding’ clause. Then there is the matter of Canada doing its full and fair share to solve the problems that create refugees in the first place – that may require a bigger, more expensive military that undertakes many, many operations far, far from home.

What we are doing now is the worst of all possible courses open to us – concentration camps are a better alternative.
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Re: Canada on lookout for another Tamil migrant ship headed for BC
« Reply #49 on: August 13, 2010, 16:47:07 »
And what is this I've been hearing that these people have paid quite a bit of money (I've heard $50K-40K/person) to be on this ship? Smells fishy to me, and its not the bilge.
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