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Re: Common Enrollment Medical
« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2010, 03:54:24 »
One of the problems with alot of electronic ECG machines is they have a habit of diagnosing and often, over diganosing things that aren't there.  However, ECG's tend to be interpreted by a cardiologist, who will either agree with or trump what comes out as the diagnosis.  They will also do the calculation for the QT/QTc on their own to verify in their mind if the computer is correct in it's measurements.  If they continue to feel that there is an LQTS situation going on, that's what they will/should write on the report.

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Re: Common Enrollment Medical
« Reply #26 on: September 29, 2010, 06:09:29 »
Ahhhh, thanks MM.  I hadn't even considered the possibility that it was the ECG machine that was writing "Normal ECG" on whatever it is that the OP is referring to, and not a human.  That makes a lot of sense.  I would say that adds more weight to the suggestion that the OP should check into this with the family doctor, to find out whether the conflicting diagnoses are between man and machine.

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Re: Common Enrollment Medical
« Reply #27 on: September 29, 2010, 13:49:01 »
First, a bit of an explanation about the reading of EKGs.  Most modern EKG machines can provide a gross computer analysis of the reading; that analysis is not (or should not be) recognized by physicians as a valid interpretation of the test.  It is also not recognized as the "professional" component of the test for reimbursement by any of the provincial health insurance plans.  The only ones (in AB, BC and ON at least, but probably all others) who can interpret an EKG (and get paid for so doing) is a physician who is qualified in Internal Medicine (Cardiology is a sub-spec of IM) or a physician in another specialty who has completed additional training and certification in EKG interpretation.  While many family docs may be able to do a gross reading of an EKG (though I know some who accept their limitations and refuse to even look at an uninterpretated strip), they are neither trained nor certified to do so beyond recognizing obvious abnormalities, nor are they usually able to maintain competency simply because they don't look at that many.

As has been reiterated time and again on this forum, this is not the place to come for a diagnosis based on a person's description of his problem and even an interpretation of  test results is dodgy.  The best that can happen is an explanation of the process and not the outcome. 

It is highly unlikely that the specialist who read the second EKG will change his written interpretation.  Probably two reasons there, firstly is that he probably feels his comments best reflected his analysis of the test (in other words, he thinks he is right) and secondly, this has now changed from an interpretation of a diagnostic procedure in order to provide knowledgeable medical care to a patient to being part of a non-medically necessary process, i.e. getting hired by an employer.  The $15 (or probably not much more) that he was paid for his work doesn't cover that.

What does this mean to rcampbell and his next steps to overturn the decision of the RMO (who is in Borden not Ottawa, unless they have changed his location)?  If I understand correctly, his "letter of doom" simply stated that he did not meet enrolment standards because of the long QT; it was not an invitation to submit additional medical tests or opinions in order to clarify the circumstances and potential outcome of the condition.  Therefore, rcampbell probably has only two courses open to him if he still hopes to join the CF (edited to add this after ModlrMike's following post about reality).  He can submit the second EKG with a request that his situation be re-examined by the RMO; it may be helpful if the second EKG is accompanied by a report from his family doctor explaining the situation and containing his opinion that there is nothing wrong.  However, based on rcampbell's explanation of what his GP has done to definitively rule out LQTS, there may not be a lot of meat in such a report, even if his doctor would so state.  (Of course, my analysis of this may be wrong.)  His second option would be to have a diagnosis of LQTS definitively ruled out by a specialist which at the same time could provide an explanation for the long QT noted in previous EKGs.  If that was to happen, he could then submit that greater evidence for review by the RMO.
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Re: Common Enrollment Medical
« Reply #28 on: September 29, 2010, 14:18:40 »
Therefore, rcampbell probably has only two courses open to him.

You forgot the third option, and I don't mean to be cruel here, just a realist:

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Re: Common Enrollment Medical
« Reply #29 on: September 29, 2010, 15:10:45 »
You forgot the third option, and I don't mean to be cruel here, just a realist:

3. Accept that everyone gets to apply, not everyone gets to join.

But if everyone who visited these means were as grounded in reality as the "crusty*" senior members (*as proven scientifically by Mike Bobbitt) there would probably be a significant drop in the visits to the forums.

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