Topic: RCMP arrest three for terrorism offences

[Cdn Blackshirt]

I find it odd that no one in this thread has yet highlighted the fact that in order to assist the Taliban, these individuals were in communication with contacts in Iran.

Based on Iran's security apparatus, I'm highly dubious that such "arrangements" were being made with Iranian citizens without the direct involvement of arms of the Iranian government.

[George Wallace]

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Ottawa terror suspect to be released on bail
28/09/2010 3:08:29 PM
CBC News


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Misbahuddin Ahmed, an Ottawa man charged in connection with an alleged terrorism plot, has been granted bail and is set to be released.

A justice of the peace granted the release for Ahmed in an Ottawa courtroom after Ahmed's family posted $20,000 cash bail and put up $625,000 in bonds and sureties.

Under the strict conditions of the release, Ahmed's passport is forfeited, he cannot go outside Ontario or Quebec and must stay with relatives in Quebec. He is not allowed to use the internet, a cellphone or other wireless device, and may not possess a weapon or material that can be used to make a weapon. He also can't try to contact either of his co-accused or a member of a terrorist organization.

Ahmed, a 26-year-old Ottawa radiologist, was arrested on Aug. 25 along with Hiva Alizadeh, 30, also of Ottawa, and Khurram Sher, 28, of London, Ont.

All three men were charged with conspiring to facilitate terrorism.

Ahmed and Alizadeh have been charged with possessing or making an explosive substance with the intent to harm. Alizadeh has also been charged with providing property or financial services for the benefit of a terrorist group.

Evidence presented at the hearing is subject to a publication ban.

[ObedientiaZelum]

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Ottawa terror suspect has charge added
15/09/2010 11:14:34 AM
CBC News

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Misbahuddin Ahmed, an Ottawa man charged in connection with an alleged terrorism plot, now faces an additional charge of possession of explosives with intent to harm.

Ahmed, 26, learned of the new charge at a bail hearing in Ottawa. Evidence presented at the hearing, expected to last all day, is subject to a publication ban.

Ahmed was arrested on Aug. 25 along with Hiva Alizadeh, 30, also of Ottawa, and Khurram Sher, 28, of London, Ont. Police charged all three men with conspiring to facilitate terrorism.
 
Alizadeh is also charged with possessing an explosive substance with intent to harm and with providing property or financial services for the benefit of a terrorist group.

The RCMP allege the three men were in the early stages of plans to aid terrorism activities in Canada and abroad, and were working with others in Canada, Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan and Dubai over the past two years.

Sher's bail hearing is scheduled over three days from Sept. 29 to Oct. 1. Alizadeh is due to return to remand court on Thursday to schedule his bail hearing.

If found guilty they should be given the death penalty.

[Journeyman]

If found guilty they should be given the death penalty.

You do know Canada hasn't had a death penalty since 1976?

[ObedientiaZelum]

You do know Canada hasn't had a death penalty since 1976?

Yes and a little while later for the CF.   
I meant capital punishment should be put back on the books for stuff like this.

[Journeyman]

You do know Canada hasn't had a death penalty since 1976?

Yes and a little while later for the CF.

I believe that if one were to check the National Defence Act (Sect. 73-74??), it's still on the books for several military offences, such as a commander acting traitorously in action.
       [/tangent]

It's still irrelevant in this case

[dapaterson]

Part III, Division 2 of the NDA (Service Offences and Punishments) spells out crimes and punishments; death was removed from all many, many years ago.

s139 lists the punishments available under the NDA:

Scale of punishments

139. (1) The following punishments may be imposed in respect of service offences and each of those punishments is a punishment less than every punishment preceding it:
(a) imprisonment for life;
(b) imprisonment for two years or more;
(c) dismissal with disgrace from Her Majesty’s service;
(d) imprisonment for less than two years;
(e) dismissal from Her Majesty’s service;
(f) detention;
(g) reduction in rank;
(h) forfeiture of seniority;
(i) severe reprimand;
(j) reprimand;
(k) fine; and
(l) minor punishments.

Hopefully this doesn't mean you'll have to revisit any summary trials...

[Journeyman]

Hopefully this doesn't mean you'll have to revisit any summary trials...

It's probably too late for CPR 


I confess to basing my apparently outdated info on the Somalia Inquiry

The National Defence Act sets out the punishments that can be imposed for service offences. Punishments depend on the tribunal and the offence,and may include death, imprisonment for two years or more, dismissal with disgrace from Her Majesty's service, imprisonment for less than two years, dismissal from Her Majesty's service, detention, reduction in rank, forfeiture of seniority, severe reprimand, reprimand, fine, or minor punishments. The death penalty still exists for several military offences, such as a commander acting traitorously in action or a soldier showing cowardice before the enemy. Sentences of death were carried out against 25 Canadian soldiers in the First World War and one during the Second World War. There have been no executions in the CF since then.

That'll teach me for dozing during the Presiding Officer Training 

[E.R. Campbell]

Although, broadly and generally, I doubt the utility of capital punishment,* I do think it should have been retained for a very tiny number of military crimes including the one Journeyman cited.

BTW: I support corporal punishment, if it is administered in public, for a wide range of crimes. I think 50 lashes would do more to reduce drug trafficking, for example, than any prison sentence.


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* I understand that capital punishment, effectively applied, prevents recidivism but it, as currently applied - where it is is still applied, lacks deterrent value. It could, of course, regain its deterrent value if we did it publicly, preferably in mid to late afternoon and in the McDonald's or 7/11 parking lots near schools. That would provide a good object lesson for the kids. Capital punishment, for me, loses its value when the public is no longer intimately involved.

[Technoviking]

"Death" was removed from the scale of punishments, effective 01 September, 1999, IIRC.

I sense a tangent approaching

Capital punishment, for me, loses its value when the public is no longer intimately involved.

IF we as a nation were to re-instate capital punishment, it would have be cruel and unusual in order to be effective.  Before anyone labels me a sadist, allow me to explain.
It must be "perceived" as cruel by the convicted.  This is why so-called "humane" methods aren't effective.  Instead of being lulled to sleep by a drug, and then slowly applied a poison, one ought to dread the night when the hangman approaches.  Yes, hanging by the neck, until dead.  The mere thought of it must make us, as a society, a bit repulsed, in order that we don't get too used to the idea of "putting someone to sleep".  This brings me to punisments being unusual.  They must be so rare that when someone is hanged, it is national news.  I can think of only a handful in the last 30 years or so who, in my own personal opinion, should have received death by hanging as a punishment. That tiny list includes Clifford Olson, Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka.  Their crimes were so repulsive that the three of them serve no use to society any further.  Perhaps Robert Pickton ought to be added to that list, and perhaps there are a few more, but it must be an event that though it repulses us as a society, that we ought to be 100% sure that the convicted deserves the fate of the noose about his or her neck.

[Jim Seggie]

Edward:

I prefer public humiliation - the stocks and pillories.

PLUS - it could be a money maker. For instance, the direct victim of the crime receives a free bag of over ripe tomatoes to throw at the criminal.
All others have to pay for their rotten tomatoes. Labatts or Keiths could sponsor it.....

[ObedientiaZelum]

"Death" was removed from the scale of punishments, effective 01 September, 1999, IIRC.

I sense a tangent approachingIF we as a nation were to re-instate capital punishment, it would have be cruel and unusual in order to be effective.  Before anyone labels me a sadist, allow me to explain.
It must be "perceived" as cruel by the convicted.  This is why so-called "humane" methods aren't effective.  Instead of being lulled to sleep by a drug, and then slowly applied a poison, one ought to dread the night when the hangman approaches.  Yes, hanging by the neck, until dead.  The mere thought of it must make us, as a society, a bit repulsed, in order that we don't get too used to the idea of "putting someone to sleep".  This brings me to punisments being unusual.  They must be so rare that when someone is hanged, it is national news.  I can think of only a handful in the last 30 years or so who, in my own personal opinion, should have received death by hanging as a punishment. That tiny list includes Clifford Olson, Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka.  Their crimes were so repulsive that the three of them serve no use to society any further.  Perhaps Robert Pickton ought to be added to that list, and perhaps there are a few more, but it must be an event that though it repulses us as a society, that we ought to be 100% sure that the convicted deserves the fate of the noose about his or her neck.

I couldn't agree more.

After seeing what kind of crap hole the rest of the world can be when fanatics/career criminals are allowed to run wild I have zero reservations against aggressive, violent and cruel punishment to members of society like Bernado & Olson. I put these homegrown or visiting terrorists in that list too.  Can you imagine the carnage that they would cause if one of their stupid plots actually did work? The possible dozens of people wiped out in some bombing and the after effects of their actions.

If someone doesn't want to act like a human being they shouldn't be afforded the same rights as those of us who do IMHO.

[milnews.ca]

La Presse reports the probe leading to the arrests cost ~$3 million (French - Google English):

The RCMP investigation that led to the arrests last summer of three suspects accused of terrorist plot in Ottawa, has already cost nearly $ 3 million, La Presse has learned.

The operation dubbed Samossa project, which began in 2009, had cost, dated November 4, 2010, $ 2,846,613 including salaries and overtime expenses, provides a document obtained through the access law information.

"So, to protect the integrity of the investigation, the original documents can not be disclosed, "says the note, which comes from the Bureau of Investigations National Security Force ....

[milnews.ca]

A bump with the latest - some court dates:

Two men from a group accused of plotting terrorist attacks in Canada appeared briefly in court in Ottawa Wednesday to learn some of the conditions of their upcoming trials.

Misbahuddin Ahmed and Khurram Syed Sher and a third man, Hiva Alizadeh, were arrested and their homes raided last year in an RCMP investigation dubbed Project Samossa.

All three were charged with conspiracy to facilitate terrorism. Police accused the three men of plotting with others in Canada and abroad to aid terrorism activities.

Ahmed, an Ottawa X-ray technologist, is also charged with possessing an explosive substance with the intent to harm.

On Wednesday, an Ontario court judge set aside a time from June 18 to July 13 next year for the pre-trial for both Ahmed and Sher.

Ahmed, who faces the more serious charges, also learned he will have a trial with a judge and jury.

The trial for Sher, a pathologist from London, Ont., will be with a judge only ....

CBC.ca, 5 Oct 11