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Canada waits for cue to freeze Ben Ali's assets


MONTREAL — Canadian authorities say they're prepared to freeze assets belonging to members of the ousted regime in Tunisia, but are awaiting an order to proceed from the country's new government.
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Any eventual asset freeze would likely target members of Ben Ali's large extended family, some of whom reportedly own property in Montreal and lay claim to permanent residency status.

Among the most prominent property owners is Ben Ali's son-in-law, Mohamed Sakher El Materi, who continues to be listed as the owner of a $2.5-million mansion in Montreal's wealthy Westmount neighbourhood.
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Montreal lawyer Kamel Balti is requesting that Citizenship and Immigration Canada release the names of those who arrived last week in order to begin legal proceedings that would see their immigration status revoked.

An official with the department declined to comment on the matter, citing privacy concerns.

Balti said he's working to have Tunisian legal documents -- which outline allegations of corruption, torture and kidnapping against the Ben Ali regime -- forwarded to the Canadian government.

"We suspect these people committed war crimes, crimes against humanity and criminal activity -- full stop," he said.

"Canada has to send a message that it will not host such asylum-seekers."

Ottawa declared Tuesday that it opposed having the country become a safe haven for members of the old Tunisian government.

"Our government is troubled by reports that Mr. Ben Ali and members of the former Tunisian regime may be considering Canada as a destination," said Melissa Lantsman, director of communications for Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon.

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Tunisia seeks ousted President and family via INTERPOL
Interpol web page, 26 Jan 11
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INTERPOL can confirm that its National Central Bureau (NCB) in Tunis has issued a global alert via INTERPOL's international network to seek the location and arrest of former Tunisian President Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali and six of his relatives.

As stated by Tunisian authorities in media reports today, Mr Ben Ali and some of his family members are wanted in Tunisia on charges of alleged property theft and the illegal transfer of foreign currency.

The alert, known as an INTERPOL diffusion, contains the names and other data of wanted individuals. It was sent directly by NCB Tunis via INTERPOL's I-24/7 secure police communications network to all other 187 member countries. Unlike INTERPOL's Red Notices for internationally-wanted persons, which are issued at the request of member countries by INTERPOL’s General Secretariat headquarters in Lyon, a diffusion is sent directly by an INTERPOL NCB without the involvement of the General Secretariat.

In its diffusion, NCB Tunis requests INTERPOL member countries to search, locate and provisionally arrest Mr Ali and his relatives with a view to their extradition to Tunis. If and when the individuals are located, Tunisian authorities will forward any formal request for extradition via diplomatic channels ....

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        Canadian Tunisians are planning a demonstration on Parliament Hill on Feb. 2.

believed to be owned by the son-in-law of deposed Tunisian president Zine el-Abidine Ben Ali

A woman at the house has said she and her husband purchased the home from al-Materi eight months ago, but official records have not been updated because of contractual issues revolving around outstanding roof repairs. She and her lawyer have not shown any proof of ownership, however, despite repeated requests over the last week.

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Sakher El Materi

Sakher El Materi is a Tunisian businessman and politician. He is the son-in-law of Zine El Abidine Ben Ali, the former president of Tunisia.

As of May 2010, his company Princesse El-Materi Holdings - El Materi runs businesses in six industry sectors: News and Media, Banking and Financial Services, Automotive, Shipping and Cruises, Real Estate and Agriculture.

A former member of the ruling Constitutional Democratic Rally, he was elected as a Member of the Chamber of Deputies of Tunisia for the constituency of Tunis on 25 October 2009 and stricked off by the party after the Tunisian Revolution.
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The Canadian Press described him as "one of the most powerful members of Tunisia's ruling class".
.......... it was reported that Sakher was going to a house he owned in Montreal, Canada
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Harper declares members of former Tunisian regime not welcome in Canada
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He made it clear that his government applauds the recent revolt in Tunisia that led to the exile of its former dictator, president Zine El Abidine Ben Ali.

"Canada supports the transition in Tunisia," Harper told a news conference.

"We support the democratic development that is taking place there and obviously want to see that proceed positively."

Moreover, he did not shy away from saying — in the wake of reports that Belhassen Trabelsi, the billionaire brother-in-law of the deposed dictator, is now in Montreal — that the government frowns on this development. The Tunisian is reportedly in Montreal with his wife, four children, and a nanny.

"Canada will use all tools at its disposal to co-operate with the international community in dealing with members of the former regime," said Harper. "They are not welcome, let me be very clear, we do not welcome them in our country."

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The Canadian government has reportedly revoked the permanent-resident status of the billionaire brother-in-law of a Tunisian dictator.

Belhassen Trabelsi, who arrived in Canada with his family last week, had his status revoked Thursday, Radio-Canada’s all-news channel reported.

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Now that is excellent news :nod:
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But will he leave or go into hiding.?

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I think we need to take great care in saying that "democracy" is ascending in North Africa and the Middle East.

In my opinion it is dissatisfaction that is ascending; they are a long, long way from democracy.

Democracy is a whole lot more than elections, more, even, than regular free and fair elections; it requires some cultural attributes including, inter alia, a respect for the rule of law and a sense that laws apply, equally and fairly, to all - governed and governors alike. If When those cultural attributes are present in a country then it may evolve into a functioning democracy. I cannot see those attributes in any but a tiny handful of Muslim countries - none of which are in the Arab League, per se.

My suspicion is that many (most?) Muslims in North Africa, the Middle East and West Asia, given a free, democratic choice, would elect to be governed by an Islamist theocracy - something that is about as far from "democracy" as we can get.
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Indeed E.R.....great care. Democracy is especially a slow process in countries locked up by dictators.
The worldwide use of the internet is allowing the otherwise oppressed peoples of the world to see
the true possibilities of an elected Government.
The actions of our own Government toward the Tunisian problem is an example of that.
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Montreal Tunisians hailed news Thursday that Belhassen Trabelsi, the billionaire brother-in-law of deposed dictator Zine El Abidine Ben Ali, faced questioning by immigration officials after Tunisia officially requested his arrest.
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PQ international affairs critic Louise Beaudoin charged Quebec’s Liberal government is dragging its feet when it comes to making members of ousted Tunisian president Zine El Abidine Ben Ali feel unwelcome here.

Beaudoin said it’s time Quebec stopped acting “like a small province” and made it clear what it thinks about the presence of the family here.


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Democracy ? More like Iranian style "democracy". Wait until the dust settles and see who ends up on top. My guess is that we wont like what we see. Why does the Tunisian revolutionary government want with the deposed dictator and his family ? If all they wanted was their ill gotten gains that can easily do that. Cant hang them though if they have asylum abroad.

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AMMAN - Thousands of Jordanians held peaceful demonstrations in Amman and other cities on Friday to press for reform and the government's resignation, taking their cue from Tunisia and Egypt.

"Egypt, the Arab nation salutes you. We urge your men to get rid of (President Hosni) Mubarak," an estimated 3,000 people chanted as they marched through central Amman holding national flags after Muslim weekly prayers.

"The Arab people's message: you are corrupt, beware our anger. (Ousted Tunisian president Zine El Abidine) Ben Ali is waiting for you," they said, referring to his ouster in a popular uprising.
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Failing Islamic States - 2011
« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2011, 13:38:51 »
Opinion: Egypt — Mubarak family flees as chaos engulfs region

Things are getting hotter Egypt, one of the North African countries known collectively as the Maghreb, nestling slightly above the scorching Sahara desert. Before this week, Egypt was famous for its apparent stability. Not anymore.

Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak never expected this crisis. He never expected to sing any swan song in the year 2011, after 30 years of imaginary "peace", solidified by an undisturbed dictatorship reminiscent of Roman emperors.

But on Tuesday this week, after watching neighbouring Tunisia collapse under the fury of its people and the hasty departure of his friend Ben Ali, Hosni, who became president of Egypt in 1981, is about to be toppled by mostly young, hungry and unemployed Egyptians copying the tactics of their Tunisian brothers and sisters.

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Mubarak and corruption
While in office, political corruption in the Mubarak administration's Ministry of Interior has risen dramatically, due to the increased power over the institutional system that is necessary to secure the prolonged presidency. Such corruption has led to the imprisonment of political figures and young activists without trials, illegal undocumented hidden detention facilities, and rejecting universities, mosques, newspapers staff members based on political inclination. On a personnel level, each individual officer can and will violate citizens' privacy in his area using unconditioned arrests due to the emergency law.
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Re: Mubarak family flees as chaos engulfs region
« Reply #37 on: January 30, 2011, 11:44:37 »
This is intriguing. I am no predictor of the future.....but maybe ER can shed some light on this?
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Now they are seeking asylum. Would the fact that there is an Interpol warrant out for them weigh against recieving refugee status?

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Ex-Tunisian leader's relative seeks asylum

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The brother-in-law of Tunisia's deposed dictator Zine el Abidine Ben Ali has claimed refugee status in Canada, Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon says.

Foreign Minister Lawrence Cannon says Belhassen Trabelsi, the brother-in-law of Tunisia's former dictator, has a legal right to apply for refugee status, but is not welcome in Canada. (CBC)In an interview on Saturday with CBC News, Cannon said he had been told that Belhassen Trabelsi had made a formal refugee claim. The process could take several years to complete.

The Canadian government has said Trabelsi is not welcome. But Cannon said Trabelsi has a right to seek refugee status under the law.

To be granted asylum, Trabelsi would have to prove he needs to stay in the country in order to avoid persecution in Tunisia.

Trabelsi had permanent residency status in Canada, which he had obtained in the mid-1990s. Under Canadian law, permanent residency can be lost if it is not used. For example, if a person is not in the country for a certain period of time.

Tunisia's ambassador to Canada, Mouldi Sakri, said he had been instructed to ask that Canada issue an arrest warrant for Trabelsi.

Trabelsi and his family arrived in Montreal last week on a private jet.
Tunisian-Canadians in Montreal have been outraged by Trabelsi's presence because he has been accused of stealing large amounts of money from Tunisia. They want his Canadian assets frozen by the government, and to see his extradition to Tunisia.

Ben Ali is now believed to be in Saudi Arabia and is the subject of an international arrest warrant


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Re: Mubarak family flees as chaos engulfs region
« Reply #39 on: January 30, 2011, 16:59:44 »
See the exchange of posts between Journeyman and Old Sweat that follows this. That discussion is the "light" I am using to try and make some sense of all this. I think JM and OS have made about the best possible "educated guesses" - guesses like those which, I also think are all that are being used for "light" in Washington, Beijing, Ottawa, Riyadh, London, Tehran, Canberra and Jerusalem.
 
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Re: Mubarak family flees as chaos engulfs region
« Reply #40 on: January 30, 2011, 17:49:54 »
Re possible courses of action open to the military, the following article from the CNN web site is reproduced under the Fair Dealings provisions of the Copyright Act.

Editor's note: Jon Alterman is director and senior fellow of the Middle East Program at the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies. He formerly served as a member of the policy planning staff at the U.S. Department of State and as a special assistant to the assistant secretary of state for Near Eastern affairs. He is the author or co-author of four books on the Middle East and the editor of two others.

Washington (CNN) -- Egypt's government is not just Hosni Mubarak's government, it is a military government. Generals and former generals control much of the government, and many are influential in business.

Since the military overthrew Egypt's monarchy in 1952, senior military officers have constituted Egypt's new aristocracy, holding on to positions of privilege from the socialist 1950s and 1960s to the capitalist present.

Mubarak is, of course, a former air force chief of staff who led Egypt's air campaign in the country's 1973 war against Israel -- a war that Egyptians remember as their country's greatest military triumph. He has a military bearing, a military distrust of disorder, and a military attachment to hierarchy.

His new vice president, Omar Suleiman, is a product of the country's internal security service, and he shares the president's bearing and his attitudes. Two-thirds of the country's governors are former generals, as are many of the country's Cabinet members -- especially those in noneconomic positions. They are still generals, but they are generals in suits.

When things have needed to be done in Egypt, from alleviating a bread shortage in 2008 to providing relief supplies to Upper Egypt after floods in 1994, Mubarak has turned to the military. He trusts the military, he understands the military, and the military delivers for him.

The relationship has been mutually advantageous. When Egypt began privatizing its public sector businesses in the 1990s, former generals were able to swoop in and get bargains, often financing their purchases with loans from state-owned banks at attractive rates.

As censorship in Egypt has dwindled in recent years, the military has remained beyond scrutiny. While journalists criticize the government, the president's family and even the president himself -- something unthinkable 20 years ago -- the military has remained sacrosanct, a curious void in an increasingly lively press.

Egyptians see the military as the national bulwark, an object of veneration and an outlet for their patriotism.

Journalists report on a wide range of government operations, but they are silent on a huge range of issues, from the size of the military budget to the activities of the army-owned factories that produce everything from munitions to food and clothing.

And yet, the military remains a respected institution in Egypt. Egyptians see the military as the national bulwark, an object of veneration and an outlet for their patriotism. There is deep respect for the sacrifices the military has made and gratitude for the wars it has fought.

The Egyptian public's attitudes toward the military are not recent; in fact, they date to the 19th century. It was desperation with where Egypt was going in the early 1950s that led to popular support for the military takeover in 1952; it may yet be desperation with the chaos unfolding on Cairo's streets that leads to support for continued military control in the coming days.

As we think forward to how events in Egypt might play out, it is worth remembering the stake that the Egyptian military has in preserving at least some of the status quo. Not only might officers and former officers stand to lose a great deal economically, but the collapse of the government might deal a severe blow to the military as an institution as well.

Egypt's military officers, then, face a difficult choice. If they must choose, are they to be loyal to their commander or to their institution? If it is clear to everyone but Hosni Mubarak that the time has come when he must stand aside, or at least begin a process that will end with his departure from office, what is their role in securing that transition?

Right now, the military is the only government institution that still enjoys broad legitimacy. It is at a time of maximum peril. The choices it makes in the coming days will not only help determine the military's future, but the fate of the country as well.


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Re: Mubarak family flees as chaos engulfs region
« Reply #41 on: January 30, 2011, 18:06:03 »
Other countries have already followed the Tunisian lead to overthrow the many corrupt dictatorships
that exist. Other than Egypt, Libya, Algeria, Jordan, Yemen, Albania, and Lebanon are experiencing
similar uprisings.
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North Africa & Middle East: Region in upheaval
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Because it is believed that Egypt is appoaching the boiling over point.
Ottawa warns Canadians to leave Egypt as revolt rages
OTTAWA - The federal government is reportedly planning to send charter flights to Egypt to help Canadian travellers flee the chaos that has swept the country.

Media reports Sunday said that Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon will announce the flights later Sunday.

The reported move would follow similar actions by countries including the U.S. and Iraq, which have told their citizens to evacuate and offered flights to take them home to safety.

Earlier on Sunday, as violent protests swept through the streets of the North African country for a sixth day Sunday, the federal government issued a travel advisory warning Canadians to leave Egypt.

The Department of Foreign Affairs upgraded its online warning, advising Canadians already in Egypt to "consider leaving if their presence is not necessary."

"They may wish to ask family or friends outside of Egypt to help with online travel arrangements, such as securing plane tickets, as local travel service providers may be limited in their capability to do so," the department's travel advisory read.

The Egyptian government shut down Internet access following the start of the riots.

There are believed to be about 5,500 Canadians in Egypt. During the riots, the death toll has climbed to more than 100 people as Egyptians continue to call for the ouster of embattled President Hosni Mubarak.

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Re: Mubarak family flees as chaos engulfs region
« Reply #42 on: January 30, 2011, 18:10:22 »
If not instructive, it is, at least, interesting to watch he somewhat different "takes" on the the Egyptian situation on CNN International and CCTV News, the Chinese 'official' English language news channel. The Chinese, also, have interests in the region  especially in Sudan, Egypt's Southern neighbour which is, at this very moment, in the midst of ts own secession crisis. The Chinese have, traditionally, had prettyvgood relations with the Afro-Arab states but the Chinese mistrust radical, fundamentalist Islam - it is probably better to say that the modern, 21st century Chinese 'Communists' distrust all ideologies, including communism and capitalism, preferring, instead, to rely upon variants of traditional Chinese 'mandated' authoritarianism. For the Chinese leaders radical Islam's promise of a complete way of life, a 'system' to regulate everything - personal, political, social, economic and political, is anathema. The prospect of major political changes to the status quo in the Afro-Arabian region frightens the Chinese who, like the Israelis, have learned to live with Mubarak et al and all that their sort of corrupt authoritarianism means.

The Chinese appear to agree with me about the extraordinarily slim prospects of anything like "democracy" arising from the ashes in North Africa and the Middle East.
   
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Re: Mubarak family flees as chaos engulfs region
« Reply #43 on: January 30, 2011, 18:12:47 »
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Trabelsi would have to prove he needs to stay in the country in order to avoid persecution in Tunisia."

He would have no problem proving that, The whole country wants his head.
IMO if someone from another country is "wanted" in that country.....then he has no bussiness
coming here wimpering.
Send him back to face the policies he himself forced onto his own countrymen.




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"To be granted asylum,
Trabelsi would have to prove he needs to stay in the country in order to avoid persecution in Tunisia."

He would have no problem proving that, The whole country wants his head.
IMO if someone from another country is "wanted" in that country.....then he has no bussiness
coming here wimpering.
Send him back to face the policies he himself forced onto his own countrymen.

Claiming "Refugee" status is fine, but Dictators, War Criminals, or just criminals do not qualify.  Their home countries can simply file extradition claims and have them escorted back for trial.
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US Adm. Mullen praises professionalism of Egyptian military amid crisis
« Reply #46 on: January 30, 2011, 19:36:03 »

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..WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The highest-ranking U.S. military officer praised the "professionalism" of Egypt's armed forces in a phone call with a top Egyptian commander on Sunday, as Egyptian troops refrained from a crackdown on protesters.

Egypt receives about $1.3 billion a year in U.S. military aid, assistance that could be jeopardized if the army joined last week's harsh police crackdown. Police used rubber bullets, tear gas and water cannons against protesters calling for President Hosni Mubarak to step down.

The unrest has killed more than 100 people.

The Pentagon urged restraint from Egypt's military last week in face-to-face talks in Washington with one of its top officers -- Lieutenant General Sami Enan, chief of staff of the armed forces.

Admiral Mike Mullen, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, spoke on Sunday with Enan, who provided him an update, a spokesman said.

"The Chairman expressed his appreciation for the continued professionalism of the Egyptian military," said Capt. John Kirby. "Both men reaffirmed their desire to see the partnership between our two militaries continue, and they pledged to stay in touch."

The top U.S. diplomat, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, on Sunday also commended Egyptian military restraint, saying it was "working to try to differentiate between peaceful protesters -- who we all support -- and potential looters and other criminal elements who are obviously a danger to the Egyptian people."

It remains to be seen if the Egyptian armed forces, considered the most powerful institution in the country, will seek to keep Mubarak in power in the face of mass protests, or decide he is a liability.

Egypt's military -- the world's 10th largest with more than 468,000 members -- have been a central force in politics since army officers staged an overthrow of the monarchy in 1952.

All four Egyptian presidents since then have come from the military, now led by Mohamed Hussein Tantawi, whom Defense Secretary Robert Gates also spoke to over the weekend.

The Pentagon declined to provide details on Gates' conversation with Tantawi.

The Egyptian military has deep ties with the U.S. armed forces, staging large-scale joint exercises. There are some 625 U.S. military personnel stationed in Egypt.

The U.S. has also provided F-16 jet fighters, tanks, armored personnel carriers, Apache helicopters, anti-aircraft missile batteries and other equipment to the Egyptian military -- equipment it does not want to see used against peaceful protesters.


"We have sent a very clear message that we want to see restraint, we do not want to see violence by any security forces. And we continue to convey that message," Clinton told ABC television.

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Re: Mubarak family flees as chaos engulfs region
« Reply #47 on: January 30, 2011, 20:11:21 »
IMO I think it will be determined that Mr Mubarak is the liability

Egypt's government is not just Hosni Mubarak's government, it is a military government

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"We have sent a very clear message that we want to see restraint, we do not want to see violence by any security forces. And we continue to convey that message," Clinton told ABC television."
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Oh......and we are telling our american citizens to get out of there ASAP  ::)

The reported move would follow similar actions by countries including the U.S. and Iraq, which have told their citizens to evacuate and offered flights to take them home to safety.

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« Reply #48 on: January 30, 2011, 20:27:53 »
"We have sent a very clear message that we want to see restraint, we do not want to see violence by any security forces. And we continue to convey that message," Clinton told ABC television."
Is the Secretary of State saying "violence by protesters is fine"? There are several groups involved whose actions should be measured.
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Egypt's Opposition


Revolutionaries United in Anger

01/31/2011
By Yassin Musharbash in Cairo

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Twitter and Facebook may have been blocked, but that hasn't thwarted the protestors. Egypt's opposition, made up of students, trade unionists, workers, poets and politicians, has many strands but is united in one goal: to rid the country of its eternal ruler, President Hosni Mubarak.

Bilal can only speak in a whisper. At first he was just hoarse, then his voice turned into a croak and now he can barely speak at all. But that doesn't stop him from mouthing the chant of the demonstrators: "The people want the end of the system," over and over again. "The people want the end of the system."

And with each passing day Bilal spends on the street, the goal seems to come a little closer.

Bilal has been on the streets of Cairo for much of the last six days, even spending several days on Liberation Square wrapped in a wollen blanket in the glow of a camp fire. Demonstrators conquered the square in the city center last Friday after a battle with police -- and they haven't budged from it since.

It has become the beating heart of a revolution bent on toppling the seemingly eternal president, Hosni Mubarak.

'We'll Block the Regime'

And Bilal has become a passionate participant in that revolution. His family thinks he is at work, but Bilal's boss doesn't mind that his employee has taken to the streets almost fulltime. Bilal, after all, a 23-year-old native of Cairo, is a veteran of the Egyptian protest movement against Mubarak's regime.

In April 2008, the police arrested activists who had called for a general strike. A few days later, the prime minister at the time, Ahmed Nazif, held a speech at Bilal's university. Bilal embarrassed him by publicly calling on him to release the prisoners. Soon, Bilal became a regular guest on political talkshows in Egypt -- but he paid a price for his insubordination. His university only allowed him to graduate with a significant delay.

Bilal is close to several opposition parties and movements but has so far avoided committing to any one of them. He has his own Facebook page in which he joined the call for the latest demonstrations -- until the government switched off the Internet. The regime can block Facebook and Twitter, says Bilal. "But we'll block the regime."

The country has been brought to a standstill for almost a week. More than 100 people have died, most of them as a result of police violence, the army is out on the streets and the opposition is grasping for power -- only President Mubarak isn't budging. Rumors abound every night that he has already fled, that he will order the army to fire on demonstrators, that the army is preparing a coup.

Bilal, for his part, is sure the regime is about to fall and he has continued to do his best to mobilize people to protest. With the Internet unplugged, he has resorted to face-to-face encouragement.

Internet Helped Mobilize Demonstrators

The role Facebook and other social networking sites played in triggering the revolt should not be underestimated. There is a Facebook page in memory of the blogger Khalid Said, who was killed by police and it has hundreds of thousands of supporters. When the call for the first mass protest on January 25 was put on the page, 70,000 of them said they would take part. That was important, says Bilal. Unlike in April 2008, protestors could be pretty sure that they wouldn't be alone. Only numbers could offer a measure of protection from police brutality. At least 30,000 people turned up.

"Now we're in a different phase," says Bilal. "People are turning up without being called on, everyone knows we'll continue until Mubarak falls."

Liberation Square has turned into a hive of protest. A woman of about 35, veiled in a red robe is sitting on a wall and ruffles her son's hair as he lies in her lap and rests. Some activists are clearing away rubbish from last night. "We are civilized," they say. A man with a bandage on his face wants to tell his story. Another tells how people were killed when police opened fire with live rounds in front of the Interior Ministry. Here and there in the square, small groups form, agree on a battle cry and then march around chanting. As evening approaches, the crowd grows and by sunset there are tens of thousands here, just like on previous nights.

Bilal waves and greets people. He has made many new friends in the last few days. There are knots of protesters who have thrown their support behind Mohammed ElBaradei, Mubarak's challenger. Elsewhere are followers of the April 6 opposition movement. Bilal laughs. "It's a bit like Facebook -- but analog."

Multi-Faceted Movement

The Facebook generation is central to the uprising, but the movement is being fed by many other streams -- one of them originated a few kilometers away from Liberation Square, in the fifth floor of an old, slightly run-down office building, in the wood-panelled office of an intellectual and opposition leader Abd al-Rahman Yusuf.

Yusuf, 40, is a handsome man. He's wearing a smart black pullover and is sucking yellow throat lozenges. He too is hoarse. He has a massive desk with an imitation crocodile leather top.

Yusuf's business card says he is a poet, and YouTube has videos showing him reading his work. He doesn't mince words when it comes to Mubarak. Until December he was a kind of spokesman of ElBaradei's movement, now he's an ordinary, if high-profile, member. He spoke on Liberation Square before ElBaradei arrived from Vienna last Thursday.

Yusuf is part of a slightly different strand of the revolutionary movement than Bilal, one could call him a representative of the civil society. It is heterogeneous but a little more organized than the Facebookers, it includes political parties and trade unions. Yusuf's spectrum is less spontaneous, a little older, less Internet-based. That isn't to say that Yusuf doesn't use the Internet. He too mainly works online. His emails reach tens of thousands of people. His latest email started: "To the Egyptian people, I call on you to take part in the demonstrations. The hour of truth has come." But now he too is offline, like the whole country.

The hour of truth -- Yusuf too believes that the revolution is close to reaching its goal. "Mubarak," he says, "has days left, weeks at the most."

ElBaradei Emerges as Central Figure

Yusuf says he is driven by his belief that the people must determine the fate of the country, that they can't be pushed aside, like Mubarak is doing. "Power without control brings out the worst in people," he says.

A friend brings in herbal tea, Yusuf sips it. He knows very well that not every Egyptian is on the streets helping to topple Mubarak, and that the majority of the demonstrators are under 35. And he knows that not all protestors want the same thing. "But that is natural. There are right-wingers and left-wingers, what is important is that we have thrown off the shackles of fear and are making our rules ourselves."

On Sunday evening, ElBaradei made his first public bid for power. He said he wanted to form a government of national unity, with the Muslim Brothers, and after talks with the army. Yusuf stood next to him on Liberation Square. Shortly afterwards, the first "ElBaradei" chants could be heard. But not everyone found the Nobel Peace Prize-winner's speech inspiring.

Nevertheless, ElBaradei is now the central figure in the opposition and activists like Bilal wouldn't be opposed to him leading negotiations -- provided it doesn't lead to a feeble compromise. But it is completely open whether such talks will happen. Mubarak would have to leave voluntarily, or be forced out.

Activists Remaining Careful

The demonstrators are in high spirits. It is true that they have shaken off their fear. In effect, they have already enforced total freedom of assembly in Mubarak's dictatorship.

But the worry remains that the pendulum could swing back. Some activists want to stick to their clandestine organizations as a result. "We have a small office in Cairo," says one female activist. Only a few people know its location, she says. The office is used to keep in touch with activists in other Egyptian cities where the situation is tenser. They are organized in groups of six whose leaders maintain contact with other groups.

Now the entire opposition is calling for a new mass rally on Tuesday and hope to bring one million people onto the streets. Abd al-Rahman Yusuf, Bilal Diab and the unnamed activist will be there. And will be hoping that the power of the people will finally bring Mubarak down.

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