Author Topic: Queen's Diamond Jubilee Super Thread (Read 26551 times)

CDN Aviator · « **Reply #250 on:** February 19, 2012, 18:06:43 »

Quote from: avgpjon on February 19, 2012, 17:59:27

11000 (18.3%) for CF.

Yes, he knows. We all know.

But.....Is that 11 000 included in the 60K Canadian total or is it over-and-above, making it 71k. Thats what he's getting at.

avgpjon · « **Reply #251 on:** February 19, 2012, 18:08:47 »

Comparison of CF distribution of other commemoratives:

Centennial 29500, CF 8500 (28.8%)
125 42000, CF 4000 (9.5%)
Silver 30000, CF 7000 (23.3%)
Golden 46000, CF 9600 (20.8%)

Teeps74 · « **Reply #252 on:** February 19, 2012, 18:26:55 »

For my own part, I want nothing to do with this fiasco. All or none, pretty simple. Their are other, more appropriate awards for excellent service and soldiers, sailors and airmen who are deserving should get those and not some trinket trivialized by issuance to people for being in the right job at the right time (MPs).

Now, if issuance was reserved for only those exceptional cases, then sure. But the fact that it is issued carte blanche to one group, but not another makes this a trinket and nothing more.

/End rant, gotta get back to studying.

JMesh · « **Reply #253 on:** February 19, 2012, 20:39:55 »

Quote from: dogger1936 on February 14, 2012, 11:22:35

Second photo... isn't the far right medal a cadet good service medal? Why is it on his blazer with his CF decorations?

Not quite. Army Cadet League of Canada Volunteer Service Medal, awarded by the Army Cadet League of Canada to people who volunteer for a minimum of 5 years with the army cadet program. Nevertheless, definitely shouldn't be there.

daftandbarmy · « **Reply #254 on:** February 19, 2012, 22:45:16 »

Quote from: Teeps74 on February 19, 2012, 18:26:55

For my own part, I want nothing to do with this fiasco. All or none, pretty simple. Their are other, more appropriate awards for excellent service and soldiers, sailors and airmen who are deserving should get those and not some trinket trivialized by issuance to people for being in the right job at the right time (MPs).

Now, if issuance was reserved for only those exceptional cases, then sure. But the fact that it is issued carte blanche to one group, but not another makes this a trinket and nothing more.

/End rant, gotta get back to studying.

Too bad we have to wait until a significant milestone in a monarch's rein is reached to recognize deserving people with a gong like this. Here's a suggestion to make the decision making easy while incenting the right behaviour: give one to everyone who has been awarded something for distinguished service under fire/on operations (i.e., VC to CEFCOM commendation/MiD/ Bronze star etc), then send the rest back with thanks.

"It is with such baubles that men are led"
Napoleon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legion_of_Honour

Cadwr · « **Reply #255 on:** February 20, 2012, 09:43:23 »

I've heard this conversation almost daily for the last few weeks as well:

"No Sir, you are only alotted 1 QDJM at that rank level. Yes Sir, I appreciate that you have multiple individuals who you believe are worthy of recognition. Sir, are you aware that there are other honours and awards for which you can nominate those individuals? Uh-huh... uh-huh.. you don't say... well Sir, that sounds like a commander's commendation at the least to me, heck, maybe even an MSM. Would you like me to forward you the forms?"

If nothing else, I remain hopeful that some one somewhere, in the course of going through the exercise and considering whom to nominate for this medal, will be inclined to pursue recognition for those he wishes to nominate, QDJM or not. If a name comes up as being genuinely "deserving," but is beyond the "quota" - well then write that troop up for recognition appropriate to his or her situation.

Bzzliteyr · « **Reply #256 on:** February 20, 2012, 09:55:53 »

Quote from: Cadwr on February 20, 2012, 09:43:23

I've heard this conversation almost daily for the last few weeks as well:

"No Sir, you are only alotted 1 QDJM at that rank level. Yes Sir, I appreciate that you have multiple individuals who you believe are worthy of recognition. Sir, are you aware that there are other honours and awards for which you can nominate those individuals? Uh-huh... uh-huh.. you don't say... well Sir, that sounds like a commander's commendation at the least to me, heck, maybe even an MSM. Would you like me to forward you the forms?"

If nothing else, I remain hopeful that some one somewhere, in the course of going through the exercise and considering whom to nominate for this medal, will be inclined to pursue recognition for those he wishes to nominate, QDJM or not. If a name comes up as being genuinely "deserving," but is beyond the "quota" - well then write that troop up for recognition appropriate to his or her situation.

I support this idea, it's a very good point.

dogger1936 · « **Reply #257 on:** February 20, 2012, 10:21:01 »

Quote from: JMesh on February 19, 2012, 20:39:55

Not quite. Army Cadet League of Canada Volunteer Service Medal, awarded by the Army Cadet League of Canada to people who volunteer for a minimum of 5 years with the army cadet program. Nevertheless, definitely shouldn't be there.

Beautiful. Since moving away from a larger CFB I've seen some great combo's at pde's and remembrance days.

Unreal.

medicineman · « **Reply #258 on:** February 20, 2012, 10:24:39 »

Quote from: Cadwr on February 20, 2012, 09:43:23

I've heard this conversation almost daily for the last few weeks as well:

"No Sir, you are only alotted 1 QDJM at that rank level. Yes Sir, I appreciate that you have multiple individuals who you believe are worthy of recognition. Sir, are you aware that there are other honours and awards for which you can nominate those individuals? Uh-huh... uh-huh.. you don't say... well Sir, that sounds like a commander's commendation at the least to me, heck, maybe even an MSM. Would you like me to forward you the forms?"

If nothing else, I remain hopeful that some one somewhere, in the course of going through the exercise and considering whom to nominate for this medal, will be inclined to pursue recognition for those he wishes to nominate, QDJM or not. If a name comes up as being genuinely "deserving," but is beyond the "quota" - well then write that troop up for recognition appropriate to his or her situation.

Sounds alot like something I heard at a Formation Chief's O-Group in Victoria a couple years ago...those other commendations, awards and orders are often cast aside/ignored/forgotten about for the normal working folks, even if they qualify or deserve them. This sounds like something that should be added as at least an EO at the Junior Leader Level - awareness of the various ways of rewarding your subordinates for work that they do above and beyond. It shouldn't be left up to the mid-level supervisor or the junior officer to get things on the go this way - it should come from the lowest level of supervision, the person that sees their day to day work. Then when something mentally challenged like this medal lotto comes up, there are already files on the CO's desk for other things as well - if they think they qualify for something bettter, they can move the file to another pile. This is something that should be sent down the pipe quarterly as a reminder to the NCO/WO level and the commissioned appointments to ensure good work gets recognized somewhere other than on PDR/PER's.

MM

ArmyVern · « **Reply #259 on:** February 20, 2012, 12:17:16 »

Quote from: Cadwr on February 20, 2012, 09:43:23

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If nothing else, I remain hopeful that some one somewhere, in the course of going through the exercise and considering whom to nominate for this medal, will be inclined to pursue recognition for those he wishes to nominate, QDJM or not. If a name comes up as being genuinely "deserving," but is beyond the "quota" - well then write that troop up for recognition appropriate to his or her situation.

During my three weeks at work ... First I worked on MSM and Commendation nominations and submitted them. When all that was done, I looked at the QDJM stuff. Priorities are correct for some of us; have faith.

daftandbarmy · « **Reply #260 on:** February 20, 2012, 15:35:17 »

Quote from: Cadwr on February 20, 2012, 09:43:23

I've heard this conversation almost daily for the last few weeks as well:

"No Sir, you are only alotted 1 QDJM at that rank level. Yes Sir, I appreciate that you have multiple individuals who you believe are worthy of recognition. Sir, are you aware that there are other honours and awards for which you can nominate those individuals? Uh-huh... uh-huh.. you don't say... well Sir, that sounds like a commander's commendation at the least to me, heck, maybe even an MSM. Would you like me to forward you the forms?"

If nothing else, I remain hopeful that some one somewhere, in the course of going through the exercise and considering whom to nominate for this medal, will be inclined to pursue recognition for those he wishes to nominate, QDJM or not. If a name comes up as being genuinely "deserving," but is beyond the "quota" - well then write that troop up for recognition appropriate to his or her situation.

Brilliant!

ArmyVern · « **Reply #261 on:** February 20, 2012, 16:03:10 »

Quote from: daftandbarmy on February 19, 2012, 22:45:16

Too bad we have to wait until a significant milestone in a monarch's rein is reached to recognize deserving people with a gong like this. Here's a suggestion to make the decision making easy while incenting the right behaviour: give one to everyone who has been awarded something for distinguished service under fire/on operations (i.e., VC to CEFCOM commendation/MiD/ Bronze star etc), then send the rest back with thanks.

"It is with such baubles that men are led"
Napoleon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legion_of_Honour

I think your criteria, in and of itself as written above, would actually disqualify them for the QDJM ... as it states that they can not be nominated based upon things for which they have already received official recognition. $:-\$

They'd have to meet the other 'bits' and have other stuff to back up the nomination in addition to the other award they've received. Along with all the others who are being nominated for being worthy of recognition (even if the others' worthiness stems from a non-war related action that certainly should not make them "unworthy" of the QDJM).

Pusser · « **Reply #262 on:** February 21, 2012, 11:30:19 »

Quote from: avgpjon on February 19, 2012, 17:59:27

11000 (18.3%) for CF.

Actually it's about 10% of the CF - the entire CF (i.e. Regular, Primary Reserve, CIC and Rangers), which comes to about 110,000 members.

However, in answer to the actual question, there are a total of 60,000 QDJMs to be awarded and the 11,000 going to the CF are included in that total. This is the largest single allocation to any one group.

ArmyVern · « **Reply #263 on:** February 21, 2012, 11:59:49 »

Quote from: Pusser on February 21, 2012, 11:30:19

Actually it's about 10% of the CF - the entire CF (i.e. Regular, Primary Reserve, CIC and Rangers), which comes to about 110,000 members.

However, in answer to the actual question, there are a total of 60,000 QDJMs to be awarded and the 11,000 going to the CF are included in that total. This is the largest single allocation to any one group, notwithstanding the allocation to 100% of Parliament.

Fixed that for you.

Pusser · « **Reply #264 on:** February 21, 2012, 18:23:50 »

Quote from: ArmyVern on February 21, 2012, 11:59:49

Fixed that for you.

Right you are. I didn't think about the allocation to parliamentarians (30 each) as being one allocation, but a rather a lot of little ones.

Good2Golf · « **Reply #265 on:** February 23, 2012, 15:20:15 »

No doubt there will be a few QSJM, QGJM, QDJM hat-trick guys out there...

ArmyVern · « **Reply #266 on:** February 23, 2012, 15:22:20 »

Quote from: Good2Golf on February 23, 2012, 15:20:15

No doubt there will be a few QSJM, QGJM, QDJM hat-trick guys out there...

And the old standby overtime bonus of the 125 (making up 4 of the 5 they will have on their chests)!!

Good2Golf · « **Reply #267 on:** February 23, 2012, 18:12:17 »

Quote from: ArmyVern on February 23, 2012, 15:22:20

And the old standby overtime bonus of the 125 (making up 4 of the 5 they will have on their chests)!!

...oh, we'll get to that in five years...the Canada 125 & 150 crowd...

Danjanou · « **Reply #268 on:** February 28, 2012, 17:07:18 »

Quote from: JMesh on February 19, 2012, 20:39:55

Not quite. Army Cadet League of Canada Volunteer Service Medal, awarded by the Army Cadet League of Canada to people who volunteer for a minimum of 5 years with the army cadet program. Nevertheless, definitely shouldn't be there.

Then technically the CD shouldn't be there either. The wearer "earned" both as opposed to ordered the rest of his rack online.

Although I do see your point.

Pusser · « **Reply #269 on:** February 28, 2012, 17:32:33 »

Quote from: Danjanou on February 28, 2012, 17:07:18

Then technically the CD shouldn't be there either. The wearer "earned" both as opposed to ordered the rest of his rack online.

Although I do see your point.

Actually, the CD is the ONLY one that should be there as it is the only one that is part of the Canadian Honours System and thus, the only one that should be worn on the left. "Popcorn" medals go on the right.

FSTO · « **Reply #270 on:** March 28, 2012, 23:42:17 »

So we finished the selection of nominations, filled out the forms and will be sending them off tomorrow. I have an inkling of the amount of staff work throughout the CF that went into making sure the selection process was "fair". But you have to wonder about the cost in man hrs and staffing and if it would have been much cheaper and a lot less staffing to stamp out the amount of medals required for everyone with 3 or more years of service.

ObedientiaZelum · « **Reply #271 on:** March 29, 2012, 07:19:21 »

Never thought I'd say this.
I realize the LOL factor in this medal but seeing the pride in the eyes of young pirvates and corporals who've been nominated for this medal by their peers and immediate supervisors for actual jobs well done really has me checking my criticism of this- at least in front of them.

MCG · « **Reply #272 on:** March 29, 2012, 07:57:37 »

This medal has the potential to be a good thing if all involved protect the integrity of the process (ie. follow the CANFORGEN).

jollyjacktar · « **Reply #273 on:** March 29, 2012, 08:05:53 »

I could only nominate one of my guys, I had two that were worthy of it. I would have preferred to see them both be sent forward, of course the one may never see it at the end of the process.

Good2Golf · « **Reply #274 on:** March 29, 2012, 08:11:56 »

As others have said, if the integrity of the meriting process is maintained, then this medal should, for the most part, not be looked at as a "joke / last man standing / me and my best friends" that other commemorative medals have been in the past.

Grimaldus, excellent point about the young troops' perspective, i.e. not having knowledge of the baggage associated with previous such medals.

Regards
G2G

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